You may be miffed about other things you think I implied or stated, but you’re not addressing those, are you?
I have no idea what that even means, beck. While I may not have done a perfect job, my main thesis throughout this whole sidebar has been that some of the reasons and explanations you have put forward in this thread - and yes, you put them forward, I am not making them up or chasing ghosts - to support your belief that analog is THE shit whereas digital is just shit have been faulty or downright incorrect. I iterated them a few posts ago, and that part of the reason why you are so ready to use such red herring explanations is because you are indeed a partisan ranger for the cause analog, such cause having over the years put some blinders on you that you may not realize exist - as most causes are want to do. That's it in a nutshell.
I am sorry that you are offended by that analysis. I am frankly suprised that you are offended when you are called an evangelizer for analog; I certainly meant no attack in that description. On the contrary, I thought that was pretty much a badge you wore proudly on your sleeve (as well as under you name on every post.)
I might take some concern, if I were you, in that huge descrepancy between how you see yourself and how you present yourself to others. I don't think there's a person on this board that has been around long enough, that doesn't consider you the board's de facto evangelizer of the analog cause. My goodness, man, if that insults you, be warned now that the majority of regulars on this board have what you apparently consider a very insulting view of you, even though that is not their intention.
And as far as the technical issues: you put them on the table, I responded. There was no back and forth beyond that, because you never hit that ball back across the net. If my tone was less than stellar about that, I apologize. But frankly I was caught off-guard. The whole Nyquist thing aside, the rest of it is not really rocket surgery. The fact that a smart guy like you bought into and/or mis understood some of that I could only attribute to either a lack of actual knowledge on your part or a blinding by faith on your cause's part. You are not a dumb guy by any stretch of the imagination, so I was going on a bit of both.
At this level you can’t resolve an issue like this in a few exchanges, and I have no desire to hurry up and “Win” an argument before sundown.
There is no win or lose. This may be something of a debate, but it's not a contest. And I said from the beginning that I had no illusions about changing you mind on the big issue of analog vs. digital. Which is why this has turned into a non-productive conversation to continue. As you say:
even taking into consideration what people will get out of these 5 years from now in the archives.
I got my objections to the red herrings in your position out there not so much for your edification, but for others reading this thread that don't already know. Any more I say at this point, especially lacking a return volley from you, is just repitition.
Frankly Glen, It seems like your objective is to discredit others, including me that threaten your position.
Please tell me, what position is that? I have no "position", there is no heirarchy here. There is Dragon, and then there is everyone else.
Look, beck what I said earlier about respecting your knowledge and appreciating you help with that whole tape calibration thing wasn't bullshit. I went to you BECAUSE you are the Evangel Of Analog on this board, I'm not going to turn around and try to shoot you down personally for the same thing. It doesn't make sense. Why the hell would I want that? I'd much prefer to have you as an ally than an enemy.
I am not now, and never was out to discredit you or anyone else for personal gain, or for any childish "king of the forum" reasons, which is about the only think I can figure you're talking about with the "position" remark. I am not that petty.*
Don't be so damn sensitive and take it so damn personally just because someone points out a probable factual problem with a something you said. It's called peer review. It's called self-moderation. It's called many things, but it's certainly not personal attack.
You made a preemptive jab at Bruce Swedien
Oh my GOD, you can't be serious. I was referring to the fact that there are some "old guard" engineers being used and abused by the marketers to sell products to the newbs, and that there are several who make a second living doing that. Beck, my firend, that was a swipe at the marketers and marketing - which is what one of the thredlets (so to speak) was at the time of that post. The idea that it was a "preemptive strike" at Bruce Sweiden (who wasn't the only name I mentined, BTW) in order to keep his opinion out of your analog debate frankly borders on paranoid. It most certainly is completly untrue, the idea never even entered my mind.
You implied the views of Scholz are questionable because of some unrelated behavior
I didn't imply that one, I came right out and said it and meant it...mostly because that was the very view that Tom Scholtz had of *himself* in that interview. He was a green newb with wide eyes of wonder, flying by the seat of his pants. He readily and frankly happily admitted it himself. And, come on, his views at the time that one should mix with their eyes via FFT are not at all unrelated to an evaluation of his fitness as an unimpeachable reference. Anyone, ANYONE who came in here - let into alone any pro studio - and tried to say that would get shot down faster than a TV reporter at a Russian mob meeting. But the fact that some famous rock star said it makes it an irrelevant point?.
beck said:
This phenomenon of worshiping “ascended masters” that I see among so many members here is really unbecoming. They are just regular guys.
Oh, man, I missed that one. Aren't YOU are the one that uses everyone with a name or title that backs your views as your unimpeachable witmesses, and then blames me (wrongly, it turns out) for even questioning a couple of those same people, like Scholtz and Sweiden? Aren't they just regular guys? How unbecoming.
and are now continually misconstruing what I have said.
What we have is a failure to communicate, that's for sure.
All the more reason why it's time to just move on, sir. We'll go back and forth until the sun goes nova otherwise, constantly misconstruing each other and saying the same goddamed things over and over again. There's no point.
We disagree, and apparently have entirely misguided opinions of each other's motivations as well. I hold no ill will towards you. It's just time to let this little dust-up, like audience applause, die of it's own accord. Just time to move on. I offered, and still offer, to do so on amicable terms. It's your call as to whether you want to accept that offer.
G.
*OK that whole BS issue with Ed and Keith a few months ago is a different story altogether, that doesn't count.
. What can I say, ya can't make everyone happy all the time.)
Life is too short and there's too much left to do of real value. Can we just agree to leave things here and move on? Either way, *I'm* moving on. I'd rather do it on pleasant terms than unpleasant ones. How about you?
