Hey Tyler657...

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Now you know you don't have much to do with your time if you're gonna come here and post under different names. I have a hard time finding enough time to keep up with everyones' tunes and questions and responses under one name.
 
$12k is a shitload more money than what I had to spend. If you've got $12k and a space to use.........you can do a pretty nice home rig.
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Does he realy need to spend this amount of money to achieve what he really wants to do?

If you are a musician you can get away with spending alot less then 12k to achieve your results

A member of bbs Erland just used a boss br532 and a shure 606 and he recorded quite a nice guitar and vocal piece which stood up quite well many people heard it and praised his efforts now he
didnt have the budget you have but he still used what he had and took his equipment to its limits an came up shining.

If you are not making money in this industry forget the big dollar outlays as you will never realise enough work back to pay you back for all that hard earned money being spent now.

Start simple buy some good reading material read and understand its contents get intrested in this its your ticket to mixing with others at least information wise so when you ask questions you have something to base it on not just saying hey guys what the latest greatest mic etc forget this way of doing things all it will get you is empty pockets.

Start small be humble and learn and read all you can ask questions but forget the gear comparisons for now none of thats going to make you a great engineer.

If you must have gear ask yourself what do you need gear for are you just doing your own demos or are you doing demos for others or even bands.

All this info is important because the wrong info will lead you down a path buying the wrong gear.

I think you should really sit down a moment and write out what it is you want to achiece first

once you have done that come back and share that info and then decide what you need after that iam sure once all this is realised you will have a great deal of money left

spend some with an engineer and allow him/her to sculpt your sound for you then take this away and really decide then if you still want rooms full of gear.

start small get big on information not big on gear information will set you free to allow you to then achieve miracles with very little all rooms full of gear will do will run you broke remember are you earning big dollar in this industry?????????

If not start to take a different approach the bigboys need alot of this gear to pull clients alot of them are names big guns the equipment really only rounds of a package and you know what the package is them and what they know this is the package not their rack of neve mic pres or their pulltecs or neumanns

without their know how all this gear may as well have stayed in the shop take the hint before you loose all your money mate there are easy ways to get where you want to go but you must employ some thought to get there silence will take you far look listen and learn
 
Ok, well, I have okay recording stuff as of now. I've done some stuff with it, but I'm not satisfied with the quality of equiptment it is. I'm reading stuff as I go. I'm trying to learn a lot about acoustics right now, and realized its a lot more complicated than I thought, and a LOT more expensive. I though you just stuff the walls with a ton of insulation, put up two sheets of drywall, and foam on the outside. Apparently there's like 5 layers of crap that you have to buy, and then you have to float all the shit with these little strip things. Woah is me. Anyway, I'm still learning, but I want to learn as I go, with good equiptment, not buy more crap, and have to replace it, with more money, and it will end up costing me a hell of a lot more in the long run.
 
I agree with the concept of having good gear. I think you might consider that the room is part of your equipment and since it is harder to replace or change down the road.........maybe you might put however much of that 12k you need to, on getting the room right and then upgrade your equipment with whatever is left.

My thinking is that you can add gear as time goes by a bit at a time but it's much harder and inconvenient to make gradual upgrades in the room. And you can go to Stereophile.com to find archived articles on how room interactions affect things. Also I'm sure the pro-sound sites have plenty of stuff on the subject. One thing for sure is you need to avoid parrallel walls if at all possible.

Also I'd look at a really good monitor system ....there are many of them but you're liable to spend 1k to 2k on that. I think that would be a bit of gear that you would always use regardless of the unavoidable changes in recording technology.

If it were me, instead of buying that Harley....I'd spend the 12k on the things that will be lasting and useful for a long time, i.e.....the room and the monitors...then anything else if there's money left over. Just my opinion.
 
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If it were me, instead of buying that Harley....I'd spend the 12k on the things that will be lasting and useful for a long time, i.e.....the room and the monitors...then anything else if there's money left over. Just my opinion.
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yeah...my 'room' cost waaaaay more than 12k....and the left over money goes for gas bills, car insurance, mortage payments, food.....aaah...yes...pizza....

maybe in 10 years, he'll be thrust into that and smack some sense upside his head......or maybe, at 25, he'll still be living at home like most of the fucks here in Kentucky do....
 
I'm not sure what post it was on but that one guy told me construction would cost more. I am apologizing to him now. The 300 was just for framing and drywall. I think that may be pushing it anyway.

For my room, its gonna be 5x6 feet and 8 ft high. Inside the walls, im gonna put in lots of the pink stuff. And then on the walls im gonna put down RC8 Resilient channels, and then a 1/2" sheet of drywall, then SheetBlok, and then another 1/2" of drywall, and then 2" Studiofoam pyramids over the whole room. For the floor, which is concrete, I'm gonna put down a really thick pad, 3/4" or so, and then take some of that Shag carpeting from my grandma's house, not really, but some really thick carpet. Haven't looked into that yet.

On the Ceiling im only gonna put down RC8 Resilient channels, and 5/8" drywall, and then Studio Foam wedges, due to space constraints. In the ceiling im gonna try to get the insulation to R40 or 50 to make up for the lack of SoundBlok. Oh yeah, im gonna caulk everything to death!

I do have a question, one correct me if my idea is wrong. And two, which side should the caulking go on, on the stud? Because you can't caulk both sides of the wall from the inside. Maybe apply it on the 1 1/2 inch side of the stud before applying the drywall?
 
ya know...if you move out to the boonies....like I did...you can just record outside, and forget about all that soundproofing nonsense anyway. A cranked amp on 11 is always nice pointing into the woods;)
 
I'm not an expert on this so someone might tell me I'm wrong but it seems to me the caulking would go between the stud and the drywall becaus the caulking is a little resilient so it would help keep vibrations from traveling thru the wall as much since the drywall would be a little bit decoupled from the stud.
 
Yeah, that was my thinking, because I could put it down before the drywall, and then be able to do it on both side of the wall, instead of just the seams of one wall. I may be wrong though.
 
Dear Tyler-on-his-way...

... sorry I didn't get back at you as soon as I said I would, some idiot construction crews cut some line and that was that for my ISP for 24 hours or so. Then, I decided to get the fuck outta Dodge for a few days, no email, no phone, no shit.

<I'm just telling you so you don't think i'm full of shit>

It looks like you've (as always) been in really good hands, with good info, good people, and good quips (well deserved for the ego check). Looks like something sunk in, unless you're trying to hustle us all by apologizing. I choose to give you the benefit of the doubt and trust your post as sincere, but if it ain't, well, so be it. But I digress.

Maybe there's hope for this sorry nation after all.

Trebles' post to you in one of your threads was dead on (nice one, Trebs), and maybe now you're really starting to see the light. I'm still suggesting that you start from scratch, which is 30 steps ahead of where you "started" before, with some online research and the methodolgy that's been laid out to you time and time again here.

I'm sure I could offer up some more gear/studio/whatever info, but I think the best thing for me to do is try to help you learn to ask the right questions in the right way. There are plenty of decent cats posting who are willing to help you with your gear shootout and how-to issues. An old professor and very dear friend of mine walked me through a year of Master's degree indepndent studies (graphic research & 3-D animation/video compositing/FX) by NOT answering one question I asked him all year. What he did was teach me how to think critically and learn how to ask the right questions, the right way, at the right time. By doing that, you really do LEARN shit, and the info you acquire via whatever means (library, asking others questions, etc) suddenly just fills in the blanks. Maybe this is a bit vacuous, maybe a bit off-topic, but I think you're smart enough to feel me on this.

I promise I won't bother you with shit like this again, I know we're all supposed to be posting here re: music (and liquor and sex), and if I feel I can offer up something, I will. Especially if you, well, you know. I won't beat that old, dead horse anymore.

Again, good luck. Keep bangin' , kid.

Flo' Dolo
 
Oh yeah, about your soundproofing questions...

http://www.soundproofing.org/
http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/jul00/articles/faqacoustic.htm
http://www.sospubs.co.uk/sos/may98/articles/soundproofing.html
http://www.customaudio.freeserve.co.uk/techfrmset.htm
http://www.studiotips.com/
http://www.extremesoundproofing.com/index.html
http://www.extremesoundproofing.com/html/projects.html
http://home.locall.aunz.com/~johnsay/HR/index1.htm
http://arts.ucsc.edu/EMS/Music/tech_background/TE-14/teces_14.html
http://www.ethanwiner.com/basstrap.html
http://www.saecollege.de/reference_material/index.html

Some of them may be shit, I bookmarked these things several months ago when I was figuring out how to do my own thang. There's one really useful link, but I can't find the URL now, if I run up on it or find the pages I printed from it, I'll post it for you.

Flo' Dolo
 
I hate it when that happens. (more then you want to know)
Thanx for the sites, I'll check em out later, and then go from there.
 
the more you learn, the more you find out how much there is that you don't know...

Queue
 
I'm reading the sos stuff, and the auralex acoustics 101, which was recommended to me by my sales rep. (maybe he's trying to sell me crap? who knows)

If I cover the entire 6x5x8 foot room with 2" pyramids, should I need base traps? Or can I get the ones that are on stands and just add them as needed later on?
 
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For one thing......... the Auralex and other foam-type pyramids et al are NOT "sound-proofing" solutions - they are "sound-absorption" solutions.

How can you be planning sound absorption for a room you haven't built or even actually heard yet??? :confused:

For both sound-proofing and sound-absorption, you need to know the problem or goal first before you try and apply a solution!

You can't just go sticking foam around the entire room -- it'll be so dead sounding, you'll never get ANYTHING to sound good in it...............

Decide what your sound-proofing goal is going to be - ie, how much sound leakage are you trying to contain within the studio vs. how much exterior noise you want to avoid coming in - then plan the construction around THAT.... once you have the room in place, you can then listen for problems with sound reflection that you will need a sound-absorption solution for.........
 
Ok, that makes sense. It can't hurt to do it that way, it'll just save me money if I don't need that much, and take more time. Saving money isn't bad tho.
 
Like I said, junior...

u gotta learn how to deduce the right QUESTIONS to ask, FIRST.

I've broken it down for you, as did Trebles (and probably most everyone else), and you're still moving too fast with the wrong appendage.

Take a deep breath, read Blue's last post again, read the two lengthy ones I wrote you again, as well as Trebles'.

THEN AND ONLY THEN, start asking questions. And, make sure you ask them to yourself FIRST. You'll soon find that most of the shit you think is important you alredy know the answers to, or have the info at your FINGERTIPS. After you go through that, then start asking us.

C'mon youngblood, you've got to do some of the work, too, or it ain't gonna be yours to turn in to the teacher. This is a GROUP effort, remember?

You aren't even trying, man...

BTW- why is every thread you start rated?
;-)

Flo' Dolo


Here's a freebie... why don't you ask "what things do I need to consider for sound treatment and soundproofing? My room(s) is/are going to be xx By xx and will be in my parent's garage. I don't want to disturb them (or, they don't give a shit about how much hell I raise), and my neighbors do/don't wanna hear me either. I've got some very general ideas regarding soundproofing/treatment, but I really don't know shit. HELP!!!! Money is/is not an issue."

Clear (enough) question, asking not only what you think you need, but also WHY, and including as much info as you can about your situation.

Maybe it could've been worded better, but i'm sure you get my drift. You gotta earn the right to burn, my man...

Again,

Flo' Dolo
 
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