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hey guys,
I have about $1200 that i want to use to get some new equipment. What do yhou think i should do.. get a new pre (like waiting for the vtb-2 to come out, or an n72 kit...etc) or should i start working my way up to a good separate console and tracker?
 
yes, that would be useful to know before we give you any advice
 
Yea, and like what are your goals?

Who and what will you be recording, and who will hear these recordings and why?

That kind of info would be most helpful.
 
sorry about that,
i was on a different computer and i pressed enter to make a new paragraph and it sent what i had and i figured it might work out anyway.
here's what i have:
akai dps16
bluetube
bluemax compressor
RNC
antares vocal producer
JoeMeek VC3Q
bunch of dynamic mics - 57's etc
v67G
2 mc012's
sennheiser e602

I want to record bands and i'm off to a start, but my recordings dont sound very good. I know experience and knowledge is just as important but i think i need good equipment to grow with me. am i right? I know i want a future in recording so i want to keep it as a hobby until i can really figure out what i can do.

T
 
don;t see a monitor pair on your list, your money should go there first.

then the rest can go to a RNP. :) ... or sell your bluetube and bluemax and the anteras and get a Sytek. (esp. if you're doing drums...)

just my $.02

wish I have US$1200! :(
 
Yea, Leeking made some good suggestions, there. Gotta' have some good monitors. After that, I would address your accoustics for where you track and where you mix. Addressing those areas will give you a good enough foundation from which to start. In a good-sounding room -- or a neutral room -- you should be able to get perfectly acceptable tracks out of your AKAI and the mics you have. A lot better, in my humblest of opinions, than if you were to try and track with much better rack gear in a poorly-treated room.

After that, you could probably use some decent/good mic pres -- at least enough to record drums. For that, I would have a serious look at the Sytek mpx-4a and a Soundcraft mixer (M series or E series). to give you some extra channels.

You're going to want to have at least one good LDC for vocals. Think Audio Technica 4047, Rode NTK, AKG 414 or something along those lines.
 
ah! i'm sorry i forgot to mention my monitors. i have some tannoy proto-J's with a hafler amp. I know they arent top of hte line but they work well for me. My garage is also semi-acoustically treated. i recently put in new insulation and that soundboard stuff from home depot.

in a new pre amp what would you guys recommend? I've heard bad things about the RNP... plus i have twice as much money to spend if there is something better.

thanks again,
T
 
I looked around and all i could find was the sytek website which wasnt very helpful. do you guys know of any sytek retailers?

T
 
The NTK is a good idea if your not getting the vocal results you want. The V67 is good but the next step up would be the NTK.

I would definitely improve your mic pres if your vocals are not where you want them. Options with the money you have.

Great River ME-1NV -$1075. Top notch preamp.
Focusrite Voicemaster Pro - $550 - Vocal and bass oriented
Grace 101 - $599 - Very clear and neutral
RNP - $495 - Recommended for acoustic instruments, pianos where you need a little sparkle on the high end.

The above opinions are mine having used them on various things.

However, if you need multple pres for drums then you should follow the Sytek/Soundcraft board approach mentioned. Sell the Blue stuff like Leeking says.
 
Middleman said:
The NTK is a good idea if your not getting the vocal results you want. The V67 is good but the next step up would be the NTK.

I would definitely improve your mic pres if your vocals are not where you want them. Options with the money you have.

Great River ME-1NV -$1075. Top notch preamp.
Focusrite Voicemaster Pro - $550 - Vocal and bass oriented
Grace 101 - $599 - Very clear and neutral
RNP - $495 - Recommended for acoustic instruments, pianos where you need a little sparkle on the high end.

The above opinions are mine having used them on various things.

However, if you need multple pres for drums then you should follow the Sytek/Soundcraft board approach mentioned. Sell the Blue stuff like Leeking says.

I could add that for drums, the DMP3 is great. I find that it is prefect in this role.
 
thanks a lot guys,
i'm going to do research on all those pres and figure out what i want. do you think i should wait for the vtb-2 to come out before i make any decisions?

T
 
ad0lescnts said:
I looked around and all i could find was the sytek website which wasnt very helpful. do you guys know of any sytek retailers?

Mike sells all of his stuff direct. Mostly on ebay, so I'd check there first, or just give him a call. 1-800-692-3037 is the number. I believe he's selling around $750 / 800 for 4 channels.
 
chessrock said:
Mike sells all of his stuff direct. Mostly on ebay, so I'd check there first, or just give him a call. 1-800-692-3037 is the number. I believe he's selling around $750 / 800 for 4 channels.

actually, there are some dealers around. i know john mayes was looking into it. you might contact him and see if he did and what the price would be. www.mayesguitars.com

steve
www.mojopie.com
 
Keep an eye (ear) out for the Toft stuff too.

The MC-012's can produce good vocal tracks also.
Especially with those, you need mesh pop filters for vocals,
along with good mic placement to avoid pops.

Chris

P.S. I think if you could apprentice with a local pro studio that'd
be the best way to learn.
 
Fletcher wrote on the new Toft:

So... it came, we played, we tested, we beat on it, used it in a variety of applications... as I said earlier, the equalizer alone is definitely worth the price of admission... the compressor is pretty damn cool for a bunch of applications [2 buss and overheads weren't among them... but really, what the hell do you expect for a grand?].

I guess we'll start with the shit I didn't like about it first... I am, afteral, a negative motherfucker so let's get this out of the way... the mic pre's suck.

They're just not up to what I like playing with... and seeing that we have pre's like the Martech MSS-10 hanging around here... it's not necessarily a "fair" evaluation [my "GEO" doesn't handle like my Ferrarri... so the GEO sucks kind of an 'unfair' comparison].

They're certainly up there with shit like the Presonus and the Focusrite... they just don't measure up to a "real" pre-amp. There is also an "issue" with pushing the pre to extreme gain settings... but that's a bloody unlikely event in real use.... but a fairly commonplace event when we're "testing" things and looking for flaws with a microscope.

The compressor follows the equalizer which isn't how I particularly like to work. 99.5% of the time I compress, then EQ... but not everyone works that way [in fact... those that use shit like Neve 1073's on a regular basis don't work that way... unless they use two modules for a single sound... which doesn't happen all that often].

In talking to Malcolm about it there may be a revision of this in a future board layout which could include an 'internal' switch or perhaps one on the back of the unit... but who knows when this "modification" may [or may not] be done. The 'single channel' unit will have capabilities to switch the compressor in front of the EQ... but the equalizer is a different design... so that's still going to be a 'wait and see' proposition as far as M-A is concerned.

The compression has a very unique character to it... very similar to the original 1 RU Trident compressors [really... go figure...]. It can get very aggressive without being unmusical which is a nice plus... and it will work as a 'linkable dual mono' unit which can be very handy for things like parallel compression on a drum sub... but isn't a feature that really stands up to 2 buss use by any stretch of the imagination.

Which leads us to the equalizer... it brought back so many lovely memories it was ridiculous. Until now there was nothing like the EQ on an old Trident 80 series desk... and I really loved those equalizers.

You had to spend a good bit of time with the original 80 series EQ's to get the feel of them as they didn't sound nor behave like any other equalizer I've ever worked with ... but once you acquire a taste for them... there ain't nothing like 'um. On the ATC-2, the 'Q' doesn't seem to get quite as tight when you push the mid bands to extremes... but that's forgivable... the overall tone is right on the money and that's the important thing.

Another interesting thing that kinda weirded me out a first... but after talkiing to Malcolm I saw the wisdom... when the compressor isn't engaged you can still meter gain reduction!! The reason behind this is pretty clever... this way when you have a singer singing [like during the 'getting sounds phase of the operation] you can set a rough compression setting, along with 'gain makeup' then switch the compression into the signal path and it won't fuck up the singer with a radical gain difference.

What I first thought was a 'bug' turned out to be a feature!! Overall... I have to tip my hat to Malcolm and Alan... they came up with a piece that is indeed a pretty servicable unit in the "real world", and an extraordinary value for the 'project studio/home studio' user.

The shop is going to order a bunch of them today... they should be up on "the website" within the week.

***and he wrote a little more what he meant about the mic pres

Again... a little perspective here... as I mentioned in the original bit... I'm running them up against some pretty heavy shit... yeah, in my world they're going to be shot out again stuff like a Martech MSS-10... or a Crane Song, or a Great River... etc.

Having riden in your talking car from ze fatherland... I find my '94 Dodge 'Shadow' pretty bland and unexciting in comparison... but it gets me to work and home most days if you catch my drift...

***

Actually, it sounds like a pretty good piece.

Steve
www.mojopie.com
 
George Massenburg doesn't like the Viper pre.

Things like that make you wonder how much is "objective" and how much is personal preference-especially once you hit the
expertise levels of pro's like Fletcher and GM.

What seems like a "straight wire with gain" to one engineer, can be "boring" to the other.
Then again, they could take a Art Tube MP and still make a fine record.

Chris
 
chessparov said:
George Massenburg doesn't like the Viper pre.

Things like that make you wonder how much is "objective" and how much is personal preference-especially once you hit the
expertise levels of pro's like Fletcher and GM.

What seems like a "straight wire with gain" to one engineer, can be "boring" to the other.
Then again, they could take a Art Tube MP and still make a fine record.

Chris

let's leave fletcher and gm on a deserted island with a tube mp and see if they use it for anything other than something to crack cocoanuts with.
 
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