Harshness...

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Greg_L said:
Lol! :laughings:

You gotta defend yourself even harder when you insert your foot in your mouth, huh dummy? Nice use of the "I've been doing this forever!" card. That's why you're here with noobs and hobbyists, right? Ever notice how real pros in any profession don't hang out on message boards? Fucking hack. :laughings: :laughings: :laughings:

Bottom line, and this is fact, new/old strings is purely personal preference. Some drummers like heads that have been worn in a little. Personal preference. Everyone knows that, except for you. :laughings: :laughings:
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yeah and some drummers like their drums to be in tune but i guess thats a personal preference too :laughings:
 
Kingofpain678 said:
It's not that I'm necessarily wanting a hot output, it just so happens to be that a hot output is a byproduct of my original intention which was only to get more of the pickups sound rather than the tone of the guitar's wood. I kept gain staging in mind though and dropped the gain on the pre of my amp...
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For everyone out there... Guitar sound is 90 % pickups, strings, amps settings and most importantly fingers.

Raising your GTR pickups will only increase their gain. It is not a good method for changing tone.

if you hold any string down @ the last fret the top of your pickups should be roughly 1/8 of an inch away from the bottom of every string.

;)
 
Hey KoP - I listened to the Braniac clip and I'm not hearing harshness (so I'm listening at work on a small pair of headphones...) so not realliy sure what it is that's annoying you...

Are you sure it's not just the way it's sitting mix-wise? how does it sound solo'd? I think the drums, in particular the crashy cymbal in the slightly right ear aren't helping the guitar tone as it sits in the mix...

Just my $0.02 - I wouldn't be worried about the gtr being harsh... but I can't imagine what exact sound you're trying to get.

How have you tracked the guitar? Doubled? Single?
 
themdla said:
For everyone out there... Guitar sound is 90 % pickups, strings, amps settings and most importantly fingers.

Raising your GTR pickups will only increase their gain. It is not a good method for changing tone.

if you hold any string down @ the last fret the top of your pickups should be roughly 1/8 of an inch away from the bottom of every string.

;)
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It was worth a try.
 
Armistice said:
Hey KoP - I listened to the Braniac clip and I'm not hearing harshness (so I'm listening at work on a small pair of headphones...) so not realliy sure what it is that's annoying you...

Are you sure it's not just the way it's sitting mix-wise? how does it sound solo'd? I think the drums, in particular the crashy cymbal in the slightly right ear aren't helping the guitar tone as it sits in the mix...

Just my $0.02 - I wouldn't be worried about the gtr being harsh... but I can't imagine what exact sound you're trying to get.

How have you tracked the guitar? Doubled? Single?
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The track is doubled, One track is my amp panned hard left and one track is DI panned hard right.

Idk, I think I'm just gonna have to work at it and see what I get...
 
themdla said:
yeah and some drummers like their drums to be in tune but i guess thats a personal preference too :laughings:
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Tuning a drum doesn't compare to a slightly old guitar string. Nice try though.

I'm not talking about 5 year old strings that are full of skin and crud.
 
I prefer 'not so new' strings aswell. Bit too bright and jangly for my liking when they're new. When I restring, I tend to play them in before I record.
 
Greg_L said:
Impossible.
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That someone could have an opinion that veers slightly from the scientific explanation of what is 'the right way to do things'? Yes, impossible. But many people have described me as 'impossible', so that opens a lot of doors for me. :laughings:
 
legionserial said:
That someone could have an opinion that veers slightly from the scientific explanation of what is 'the right way to do things'?:
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Exactly. How dare you differ from the expertise of anonymous liars on the internet? :laughings: :laughings:
 
Greg_L said:
Exactly. How dare you differ from the expertise of anonymous liars on the internet? :laughings: :laughings:
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It was all those compliments I received on my tone.....but now I know those people were full of shit and their ears must have been playing tricks on them and it didn't sound very good at all, because a couple of 'experts' have said I'm not doing things 'properly'. I am the very definition of FAIL :(
 
Greg_L said:
Tuning a drum doesn't compare to a slightly old guitar string. Nice try though.

I'm not talking about 5 year old strings that are full of skin and crud.
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i've only been drumming for a few years but it seems like this guy has a pretty good idea of tuning. at some point he mentions age of heads and when they are worn out.

what do you think of this guys' method greg?

is this the way you tune or do you tune more like jeff ocheltree?

or neither... i'm not being a dick i just wanted to know because for what i've read of yours it seems like you have a good handle on drums :D

(thx for the drum recording sticky it was good info)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3598381811706495656#
 
Sorry, but there's no way I'm watching an hour and a half video about drum tuning. If you have a specific question, I'll answer the best I can.
 
legionserial said:
I prefer 'not so new' strings aswell. Bit too bright and jangly for my liking when they're new. When I restring, I tend to play them in before I record.
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yeah breaking in your strings is common... but thats not really what i'm talking about :)

btw "breaking in" your strings shouldn't take more than an hour

how much do you play everyday?

do you stretch them after you put them on?

when is the last time you changed your strings?

are they're dents on the bottom of your strings from the frets?

(note: you will have to feel the bottom of your strings to check, primarly the plain non-wound strings)
 
Greg_L said:
Sorry, but there's no way I'm watching an hour and a half video about drum tuning. If you have a specific question, I'll answer the best I can.
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ok, gatzen talks about 30 different topics in the vid so to condense...

when do you replace your heads?

when you do how do you stretch/break them in?

do you tune the top and bottom the same?

or do you tune the bottom higher than the top?
 
themdla said:
ok, gatzen talks about 30 different topics in the vid so to condense...

when do you replace your heads?
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For me, usually when the coating wears off, or if they're clear, when they get cloudy and lose sustain. If I dent a head, it gets changed immediately, but I rarely dent heads with nylon tips.

when you do how do you stretch/break them in
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Install, do a quick tune, push down on the head with my hand, listen to it creak and crackle, re-tune. Let em sit overnight. Tune again. Done.

do you tune the top and bottom the same?
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Not usually.

or do you tune the bottom higher than the top?
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Bottom tighter.
 
Man, what a thread.

Flatwounds may work awesomely for some things, as do dead strings, but KoP is a metal guy as I recall so flatwoulds or dead strings are the last thing I'd recommend.

KOP- I use Elixirs, myself. They hold up forever and sound acceptably "new" for an absurdly long time. The set on my Universe has to be more than six months old right now, and are probably closer to a year. I wouldn't record anything important with them right now, but they're fine for demoing and practice. They're more expensive, but $10 a set for something that will sound fairly new for 6 months vs $4 for something you might get a week from strikes me as a no-brainer.

Aside from that, what IS the mic you're working with? A SM57 is definitely industry standard for heavy guitar, and can be had pretty cheap - I've seen them for $60 or so used. In the same ballpark, I've got a Nady RSM-4 ribbon that sounds shockingly good - I think I paid $70 for it, new. It's great on leads, and will definitely give you a darker, smoother signal.

I'll try to listen to some of your other stuff tonight. I'm wondering if it's just your speakers - if you're hearing "harsh" (and presumably EQing accordingly) and everyone else is hearing "distant," then I;m wondering if your speakers just have a ton of upper mids and treble?
 
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