Guitar isocab for cheapskates and amateurs.
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minerman
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I won't get around to doing anything on it until Sunday, I have to work tomorrow evening......
That's my exact setup Jonny, Egnater Tweaker 15w head & a couple 1x12 cabs. Yep, it's loud for a small setup, I can't imagine trying to record with a 50 or 100w amp in my home (although I'd love to be able to....)....
That's my exact setup Jonny, Egnater Tweaker 15w head & a couple 1x12 cabs. Yep, it's loud for a small setup, I can't imagine trying to record with a 50 or 100w amp in my home (although I'd love to be able to....)....
minerman
Tonetard
Thanks Chili,
I'm getting decent sounds out of my amp/cab setup (to me anyway), but the thing is, it annoys the hell out of my wife, & I only have an hour or two before work to track anything (I work 2:30 - 10:30 pm, with an hour drive each way). Late at night is "my" time, but everybody's asleep. So, if I could make an ISO that would kill the biggest part of the noise/sound in the room (& doesn't alter the tones I'm getting that much), I'd be a happy man....
The Tweaker is a cool little amp, & is loud as hell for 15w. The 1x12's I have are pretty decent too, I have a Greenback & a Vintage 30 cab, both a little different than the other, but neither is better/worse, just different. I actually like both of 'em a lot....I think I've used about every ampsim out there, & while all of 'em have their good points ( and bad), it just takes so much tweaking/fiddling to make 'em sound how I want. With my amp/cabs, the tracks just "fit" better (to my ears anyway, I'm not gonna get into a "which is better, or can you tell which is the real amp/ampsim thing") with very little post-processing (with my ampsims, I always have to do a bunch of tweaking, eq'ing, etc...)....
I have a re-amp box too, & have tried using my ampsims to track, then re-amp 'em, but the feel thing is different altogether when I play through the amp vs. ampsims, even at super low volume with the mic pre cranked to get enough signal in the daw, the amp wins everytime for me.....
Again, my plan is to build a single box, with as much Roxul as I can put in it, hoping it'll kill the sound in the room. If it doesn't do a good enough job, I'll build another box (to go inside the one I'm gonna build this weekend), like the Randall/Jet City ISO's.
And of course, I will probably still mic the cab in another room when I have the place to myself, but the ISO will give me another option that I don't have right now.....
I'll find out in a couple of days if the single box is gonna cut it or not. I'll post some pics & sound clips whenever I get it finished.....
I'm getting decent sounds out of my amp/cab setup (to me anyway), but the thing is, it annoys the hell out of my wife, & I only have an hour or two before work to track anything (I work 2:30 - 10:30 pm, with an hour drive each way). Late at night is "my" time, but everybody's asleep. So, if I could make an ISO that would kill the biggest part of the noise/sound in the room (& doesn't alter the tones I'm getting that much), I'd be a happy man....
The Tweaker is a cool little amp, & is loud as hell for 15w. The 1x12's I have are pretty decent too, I have a Greenback & a Vintage 30 cab, both a little different than the other, but neither is better/worse, just different. I actually like both of 'em a lot....I think I've used about every ampsim out there, & while all of 'em have their good points ( and bad), it just takes so much tweaking/fiddling to make 'em sound how I want. With my amp/cabs, the tracks just "fit" better (to my ears anyway, I'm not gonna get into a "which is better, or can you tell which is the real amp/ampsim thing") with very little post-processing (with my ampsims, I always have to do a bunch of tweaking, eq'ing, etc...)....
I have a re-amp box too, & have tried using my ampsims to track, then re-amp 'em, but the feel thing is different altogether when I play through the amp vs. ampsims, even at super low volume with the mic pre cranked to get enough signal in the daw, the amp wins everytime for me.....
Again, my plan is to build a single box, with as much Roxul as I can put in it, hoping it'll kill the sound in the room. If it doesn't do a good enough job, I'll build another box (to go inside the one I'm gonna build this weekend), like the Randall/Jet City ISO's.
And of course, I will probably still mic the cab in another room when I have the place to myself, but the ISO will give me another option that I don't have right now.....
I'll find out in a couple of days if the single box is gonna cut it or not. I'll post some pics & sound clips whenever I get it finished.....
jonny deep
Disappointing Member
My cab is a vintage 30 semi-closed back (actually, it's the Egnater Tweaker 1x12 cab), through which I run a Vox Night Train 15w, so I'm very interested to hear how you get on with this one, miner.
grimtraveller
If only for a moment.....
I've given up trying to understand watts. My 100 watt Fender bassman amp never gets close to the 15 watt Line 6 Spider in volume ! It's a great amp for me but it never disturbs the neighbours ! Mind you, when I've used both live, I was struggling to hear either and I was virtually next to the amps. Everyone else could hear it {interestingly, those at the back of the room/hall had no problem hearing it} and in some instances were tearing their hair out at the volume !
Happy days. I was doing the glueing one saturday night and as I like working to music, I thought I'd check out your stuff. I spent the whole night listening to tracks that ended up on "Stranded" and "Gravity". I was surprized to see you say in a thread a couple of months back that you don't think much of "Stranded". I respectfully disagree ~ it's got some lovely stuff on it.
None that I've noticed.
minerman
Tonetard
The watt thing is confusing to me too, Grim. I bought the Blackstar HT-5 because it was "only 5 watts", & thought I'd be able to get power tube saturation at low volume. Well, it is low volume compared to a 50 or 100w amp, but a cranked 5w tube amp is loud as hell, especially for home use (mine anyway)...I knew the Egnater would be a little louder than the HT-5, but honestly, it isn't much at all. I've read/saw charts/graphs on the 'net somewhere expalining how much louder a 1/5/15/50 watt amp is, but can't remember where.....
No ISO build today, my Dad is in the hospital, so I'm not gonna have time for much at all except him. The ISO cab will always be there for me to build/fool around with, my old man might not, so I'm out the door in just a little while....
I'll keep you guys posted on my progress, might even wait until next weekend to start, I have everything except the Roxul, it's supposed to be at the store the 11th (Tuesday). I might put the box together tonight, & caulk/silicone all the joints/seal it up, & put the weatherstripping on the top edge.....
No ISO build today, my Dad is in the hospital, so I'm not gonna have time for much at all except him. The ISO cab will always be there for me to build/fool around with, my old man might not, so I'm out the door in just a little while....
I'll keep you guys posted on my progress, might even wait until next weekend to start, I have everything except the Roxul, it's supposed to be at the store the 11th (Tuesday). I might put the box together tonight, & caulk/silicone all the joints/seal it up, & put the weatherstripping on the top edge.....
Steenamaroo
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The little valve amps are certainly surprising.
I just got the HT1 which is often described as giving the tone you want 'at bedroom levels'.
Alright, no one's going to gig with it, but you wouldn't crank it in a bedroom either.
EDIT: Sorry to hear about your Dad.
Keep those priorities right and all the best.
I just got the HT1 which is often described as giving the tone you want 'at bedroom levels'.
Alright, no one's going to gig with it, but you wouldn't crank it in a bedroom either.
EDIT: Sorry to hear about your Dad.
Keep those priorities right and all the best.
minerman
Tonetard
Thought I'd bump this to let you guys know I'm still waiting on the Roxul. It was supposed to be here the 11th, but got pushed back until the 19th, so I'm still playing the waiting game.....
After a few weeks of thinking, I'm still gonna do the single box lined with Roxul & see how that does. If it's quiet enough, & sounds good in the daw, then I'll probably leave it alone. But, if it doesn't kill the noise in the room, then I'll build the other box (like the Randall/Jet City) to put inside.
If that doesn't work on killing the noise, then at least I'll have a 3' x 4' table/shelf to put all my crap on......
My Dad got to come home last Monday, after having a blood transfusion (he has lung cancer, is taking chemo treatments, & his doctor said this is pretty common....just scared the shit out of me......) & is doing as well as can be expected. He's in good spirits, & again, is doing pretty good....I'm on the way to see him (at home....that'll always be home to me) in just a little while.....Sorry to go off-topic there, but without him, I wouldn't even be here......
So, again, I'm waiting on the Roxul, & will let you guys know how the little ISO project goes......I do know the wife is excited about it, she's hoping it'll kill the noise too......
After a few weeks of thinking, I'm still gonna do the single box lined with Roxul & see how that does. If it's quiet enough, & sounds good in the daw, then I'll probably leave it alone. But, if it doesn't kill the noise in the room, then I'll build the other box (like the Randall/Jet City) to put inside.
If that doesn't work on killing the noise, then at least I'll have a 3' x 4' table/shelf to put all my crap on......
My Dad got to come home last Monday, after having a blood transfusion (he has lung cancer, is taking chemo treatments, & his doctor said this is pretty common....just scared the shit out of me......) & is doing as well as can be expected. He's in good spirits, & again, is doing pretty good....I'm on the way to see him (at home....that'll always be home to me) in just a little while.....Sorry to go off-topic there, but without him, I wouldn't even be here......
So, again, I'm waiting on the Roxul, & will let you guys know how the little ISO project goes......I do know the wife is excited about it, she's hoping it'll kill the noise too......
minerman
Tonetard
Another bump to let you guys know I'm still waiting on the Roxul. It's already a week late, but it's supposed to be here the first of next week. We'll see I suppose, they don't get in any hurry to get your product to you, but they waste no time taking your $$$.....
No biggie, it'll be here eventually, but I was hoping to have the ISO cab built/finished, & be able to use it before my Christmas vacation is up, the Roxul won't be here until a week after my vaction ends.....
Again, just a bump to let you guys know I'm still playing the waiting game....
No biggie, it'll be here eventually, but I was hoping to have the ISO cab built/finished, & be able to use it before my Christmas vacation is up, the Roxul won't be here until a week after my vaction ends.....
Again, just a bump to let you guys know I'm still playing the waiting game....
jonny deep
Disappointing Member
Thanks for the update - looking forward to seeing the results - hope they don't keep you waiting too long!
minerman
Tonetard
Thanks Jonny,
Like I mentioned, I was hoping to already have it built, & be using it by now, but still waiting on the Roxul. It'll be here eventually though, but my wife has surgery this Wed., & I don't know how much spare time I'll have for anything but her & work.....
I'll let you guys know if I ever get rolling on this, with pics & sound clips......
Like I mentioned, I was hoping to already have it built, & be using it by now, but still waiting on the Roxul. It'll be here eventually though, but my wife has surgery this Wed., & I don't know how much spare time I'll have for anything but her & work.....
I'll let you guys know if I ever get rolling on this, with pics & sound clips......
minerman
Tonetard
If nothing else happens, or I don't have to work any more 16 hour shifts, I should be able to finish up the ISO cab this weekend, but I'm not gonna hold my breath, it's been crazy here for the last little while.....
On the up side of things, I got the casters, gooseneck, & mic mount today, so basically all I need is a little time to put this thing together.....
I'm going with just the single box, lined with 3" of Roxul for now, to see how that does. If it works ok, I'll leave it alone, if not, then I'll make the inner box like I mentioned weeks ago.......
Wish me luck guys, again, it's been crazy at work & at home the last little while......
On the up side of things, I got the casters, gooseneck, & mic mount today, so basically all I need is a little time to put this thing together.....
I'm going with just the single box, lined with 3" of Roxul for now, to see how that does. If it works ok, I'll leave it alone, if not, then I'll make the inner box like I mentioned weeks ago.......
Wish me luck guys, again, it's been crazy at work & at home the last little while......
jonny deep
Disappointing Member
Hey Miner. I was just thinking of iso boxes on my way home. Thank god you're back - good luck with the build!
grimtraveller
If only for a moment.....
Bon chance !
minerman
Tonetard
OK guys, I was supposed to work tomorrow, but I've put in so many hours the last few weeks, the company owes me a shift or two, so I'm taking one of 'em tomorrow so I can finish up my ISO cab. Bastards I work for beat me out of 8 1/2 hours overtime on my last check, & said "Oh, we thought you wanted paid for the 30th when your wife has surgery".....sure, I'll take straight time for the overtime that I've already worked, with 2 hours sleep/rest in between shifts.....NOT!!!!! Greedy bastard thought I was as fucking dumb as he is I guess......So, after a few choice words from me to my boss, I'll just take tomorrow off, with pay......OK, OK, rant over, but I hate getting fucked out of my $$$ like that, & I earn every penny I get at that shithole........
So, I'm gonna slap the cab together tomorrow, might have pics of it going together, might not, but I'll definitely have a few pics of it after I've finished it up, & will post a few sound clips.......
So, I'm gonna slap the cab together tomorrow, might have pics of it going together, might not, but I'll definitely have a few pics of it after I've finished it up, & will post a few sound clips.......
jonny deep
Disappointing Member
Great stuff Miner - looking forward to seeing how you do.
minerman
Tonetard
No pics yet, but I've got it put together except for putting the lid on, waiting on the silicone caulk to cure fully......I'll probably go ahead & put the casters on this thing so I can roll it around if I need to, plus that should de-couple it from the floor (hopefully....)....Still need to put the weatherstripping on, put in the mic-mount/gooseneck, but should finish it up today in time enough to post a couple/few clips anyway.....
It was a pain in the ass to put together by myself though, anyone planning on building one of these might wanna get someone to hold the pieces while you screw 'em together, that's really the only trouble I had with the build. One of the smaller ISO's like the Randall/Jet City probably wouldn't be as bad, but the dimensions for my box are 24" w X 36" L X 31" H, which isn't really that big, but getting the first few screws to hold it in place was kind of a pain in the ass, but again, other than that, pretty easy stuff......
I'm a pretty lazy bastard here at the house most of the time though....
It was a pain in the ass to put together by myself though, anyone planning on building one of these might wanna get someone to hold the pieces while you screw 'em together, that's really the only trouble I had with the build. One of the smaller ISO's like the Randall/Jet City probably wouldn't be as bad, but the dimensions for my box are 24" w X 36" L X 31" H, which isn't really that big, but getting the first few screws to hold it in place was kind of a pain in the ass, but again, other than that, pretty easy stuff......
I'm a pretty lazy bastard here at the house most of the time though....
grimtraveller
If only for a moment.....
Yeah, same here. When I started it, I wished I'd bought a G clamp but it was a sunday night. It's always a pain to screw things in that meet a right angles. I think I got my wife or my son to hold it while I did the deed with wood glue squelching all over the place...........