Good All round Dynamic mic?

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I'm pretty new to this home recording mallarky and am looking to get my first mic. I will be recording primarily vocals and acoustic guitar.
I was looking at getting the AT 2020 Cardroid Mic, i've heard it's a pretty solid all rounder.
Has anyone got any experience with this mic? or have any recommendations for a mic in the £50 - £150 bracket?

Thanks for your help.
 
SM57 is the go to for almost anyone in the industry...even the President.:)
 
SM57 is the go to for almost anyone in the industry...even the President.:)

That mic helped support Bush's message over 90% of the time. We need a change. We can do better. We can hope for a better tomorrow than what the failed policies of the SM57 gave us for the last 8 years.

;)
 
You mentioned a dynamic mic, but the AT2020 is a condenser. Those are two very different things.
 
You mentioned a dynamic mic, but the AT2020 is a condenser. Those are two very different things.

I think he meant dynamic in "can do various jobs". If you don't have good isolation from noise, I would go with an actual dynamic mic. For that job, I would go with a EV RE20 or RE27.
 
I think he meant dynamic in "can do various jobs". If you don't have good isolation from noise, I would go with an actual dynamic mic. For that job, I would go with a EV RE20 or RE27.

...not in his price range though. In that price range you're pretty much limited to the SM57/58 or equivalent. Either one would be a great choice.

Frank
 
...not in his price range though. In that price range you're pretty much limited to the SM57/58 or equivalent. Either one would be a great choice.

Frank

Nah, in Europe Shures are overpriced, and never a great choice anyway. Go for a Beyerdynamic M201.
 
Nah, in Europe Shures are overpriced, and never a great choice anyway. Go for a Beyerdynamic M201.

I have a bunch of Beyer mics and love them dearly. I'm on the fence with my M201 though. It always sounds good, but I always prefer something else more - like my M88, or other dynamics like my RE20.

I will never part with my M88, M160 or MC930's though. :)
 
Back to the OT, if I were to pick a cheap desert island mic, it would be an Oktava MC012 - especially for vocal and geetar.

Not much more $ than an SM57. Way more usable IMHO.
 
i have an at 2020~ i'm using it right now recording my brother! It's a condenser though and you need phantom power to get it to work. It's good on vocals and guitar. I'm using it with a behringer c2
 
AT2020 is a reasonable condenser, but it is a small diaphragm condenser. Probably not a good choice for vocals. If you can, I'd get an AT2020 for your guitar and a CAD M179 or ideally a CAD M9 for vocals.
 
I have a bunch of Beyer mics and love them dearly. I'm on the fence with my M201 though. It always sounds good, but I always prefer something else more - like my M88, or other dynamics like my RE20.

I will never part with my M88, M160 or MC930's though. :)

Those are all obviously better mics, but beyond the OP's budget. The M201 will kill the SM57 for every application, and it's within budget.
 
Yeh, I have been very clever and written Dynamic when I meant to say Condensor... smooth.

Yeah, I'm thinking that I'll get the At2020 as it's good for guitar and reasonable for vocals. Then I can save up an get a good vocal mic down the line.
Would you recommend getting a Dynamic or Condersor microphone for recording vocals in a fairly untreated room?
 
I remember Greg_L saying he used a 2020 for vocals, so you can go listen to a bunch of tracks in the MP3 mixing clinic. I haven't heard any of his songs that have acoustic (if there are any).

You mentioned vocals and acoustic guitar in your first post, and yes, we were all muy confused by the reference to dynamic mics in the thread title.

I think you do want a condenser -- you just need to do something with your room to make it work if it doesn't. If it's a reasonably cluttered living room or bedroom, it might not be too bad (kind of a crap-shoot) -- if it's a small to medium sized, completely empty space with no attention to sound-worthiness, then you have a some to do.

Ideally, I think you want two small diaphragm condensers for the acoustic and one large diaphragm condenser (*or dynamic*) for vocals (and an ambiance track for the acoustic, if you're so inclined).

I know how much the pound is versus the dollar, but I'm not familiar with mic prices in the UK, assuming that's where you are. I remember visiting a strip of music shops that were a few blocks from the British Museum, and thinking, wow -- sure glad I'm not here to buy stuff :D

If you get a chance to try out some mics, you should -- we all say that and mean it, and should also realize that most people don't have the opportunity, but if you do, take it.

As for recommending the actual mics, I'm afraid to do it -- several different possibilities pop into my head, but I'm thinking about me, not you :). I think of myself as a pretty good acoustic guitar player and a complete crap vocalist. It always borders on irresponsibility to spout off a bunch of mic models. OK, but here goes -- this is just the ones I know something (however little) about that are probably available to you and sort of fit in your budget. I buy almost all my mics used:

SDCs:
*Naiant X-Qs - really like these, but they're omnis, which precludes my favorite X-Y stereo micing technique, but I still use them quite a bit - very inexpensive. Never tried them for vocals, but I have a X-T that I played with and thought might work. Note that there are other models for sale from Naiant that might be even better. (I buy Naiants new :) ).
*Shure SM-81 - I use these quite a bit, particularly when I want my acoustic instrument to blend into a mix - two of these would hit your budget pretty hard, and they're really not suitable for vocals, imo.
*Oktava MC/MK 012 (that's either MC or MK) - I use these more and more - I think they color the sound a little, but in a great way. I almost always use them for solo acoustic these days. Never tried one on vocals -- there are some other capsules available that are LDC, but I don't have one. Prices are trending upward, but you may be able to swing two of these.
* AT 4033 - I don't use these that much, but have made some good prominent sounding tracks with them. For the guitar, I'm getting a somewhat similar sound to the 012's, but smoother and with a touch less detail. These are "medium" sized diaphragm mics, and some people use them for vocals, but I think they're too bright, but on the right voice I bet they're good. I was lucky enough to get two for 300 dollars together - I think prices are usually higher.

LDC
* Oktava MK-319 - I've got three of these, one of them modified by Oktavamod - that's my favorite. I modded the other two (details elsewere, but total cost outlay was about $1). I got all three of them each for less than $100, and "stock" - none of them sounded good to begin with, and one (the one I sent to Oktavamod) was unusably awful. Now I use them all the time and like them.
* AT 4040 - pretty good sounding LDC - I have some good tracks with this one -- not bright like the AT4033.
** and if you're a good vocalist with a somewhat powerful voice (unlike me), think about using a dynamic like the ones already mentioned.


OK - I didn't mention a whole bunch of mics that would probably be great choices for you because either 1) I didn't think they were easily available or would probably fall outside your price range, or 2) I don't know anything about them -- there are a lot of mics in category #2 :D
 
If you're looking for a dry vocal sound, good luck using any condenser in an small (10 x 10) untreated room as even a fairly tight cardiod will pick up a good amount of reflection. Something like an SM57/58 (or the ES57/58 clones) are far less sensitive to your environment. So while the old standbys might not be the best sounding overall vocal mics, they might sound better in your situation.

Now if you have a walk in closet lined with clothing to use as a vocal booth, then the AT2020 might work for you. In my opinion, it's a fairly crisp mic and I don't like it on my voice which benefits from a softer high end and more low end warmth. However, many seem to like it on voice. I love it on acoustic however as it captures the high end strumming sheen very well allowing it to sit well in a mix with very minimal eq.

The SM57/58 have a bump in the mids and a rolled off high end. On acoustic, think of something along the lines of Hendrix's "All Along the Watchtower" (after some serious compression as well). The high end will need serious boosting if you're looking for a modern crisp acoustic sound but the results are certainly usable. On voice, well think about pretty much any club show you've seen as most are using an SM58 or clone...
 
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