Gibson is not a good company.

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I know, but I like ebony fretboards. I don't see the point of buying a new guitar that is supposed to be like the one made in the 50s. If I buy something new I just want it to sound good and play well.
It’s pretty easy to ‘ebonize’ any wood. Black is easy to recreate. In fact, Martin dyes their ebony even on their high end models. I’m sure other makers do as well. I like ebony with streaks in it, so I don’t usually dye my ebony. I have ebonized rosewood and other wood fingerboards though.

It’s just incongruous to put an actual ebony fingerboard on an otherwise entry level guitar, was my only point.
 
It’s pretty easy to ‘ebonize’ any wood. Black is easy to recreate. In fact, Martin dyes their ebony even on their high end models. I’m sure other makers do as well. I like ebony with streaks in it, so I don’t usually dye my ebony. I have ebonized rosewood and other wood fingerboards though.

It’s just incongruous to put an actual ebony fingerboard on an otherwise entry level guitar, was my only point.
Boxed away somewhere I have a book on guitar building from a classical builder who was around before Dan Erlewine was even close to puberty. ;-)
I don’t recall the builders name, but he was adamant that the ONLY wood acceptable for fingerboards and bridges was Brazilian rosewood. There were some pics in the book of him being dwarfed standing in front of massive stacks of Brazilian. Fascinating stuff.
 
It’s pretty easy to ‘ebonize’ any wood. Black is easy to recreate. In fact, Martin dyes their ebony even on their high end models. I’m sure other makers do as well. I like ebony with streaks in it, so I don’t usually dye my ebony. I have ebonized rosewood and other wood fingerboards though.

It’s just incongruous to put an actual ebony fingerboard on an otherwise entry level guitar, was my only point.
I don't care about the color. I want an ebony board if given the option. The rosewood is fine; I was commenting on someone asking if it was ebony due to the color.
 
It’s pretty easy to ‘ebonize’ any wood. Black is easy to recreate. In fact, Martin dyes their ebony even on their high end models. I’m sure other makers do as well. I like ebony with streaks in it, so I don’t usually dye my ebony. I have ebonized rosewood and other wood fingerboards though.

It’s just incongruous to put an actual ebony fingerboard on an otherwise entry level guitar, was my only point.
One of the most amazing products I have used on fretboards is Old English dark furniture scratch repair. You can take those light anemic looking modern rosewood fretboards and take a q-tip, wipe it on, let it sit a while, and then wipe it off, and the results are stunning. All the grain nuances are still there but the fretboard is several shades darker. It dosen't end up coming off on your fingers from playing and it never wears off the fretboard. Also, it doesn't color anything that is not wood, like mother of pearl, Ivory, pearloid dots, or plastic inlays at all.
I treated a pale strat and tele neck for a couple of partscaster projects. Here are some pics and a comparison side by side with my 66 strat Brazilian board.
 

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Boxed away somewhere I have a book on guitar building from a classical builder who was around before Dan Erlewine was even close to puberty. ;-)
I don’t recall the builders name, but he was adamant that the ONLY wood acceptable for fingerboards and bridges was Brazilian rosewood. There were some pics in the book of him being dwarfed standing in front of massive stacks of Brazilian. Fascinating stuff.
That sounds like the Overholtzer book? He wrote the first book on guitar building that we used in the 70’s.
 
One of the most amazing products I have used on fretboards is Old English dark furniture scratch repair. You can take those light anemic looking modern rosewood fretboards and take a q-tip, wipe it on, let it sit a while, and then wipe it off, and the results are stunning. All the grain nuances are still there but the fretboard is several shades darker. It dosen't end up coming off on your fingers from playing and it never wears off the fretboard. Also, it doesn't color anything that is not wood, like mother of pearl, Ivory, pearloid dots, or plastic inlays at all.
I treated a pale strat and tele neck for a couple of partscaster projects. Here are some pics and a comparison side by side with my 66 strat Brazilian board.
NGR stain will make it even darker.
 
So you guys are staining just for cosmetic reasons? Interesting.
Nah, everybody know that a pale rosewood board will sound bright. Staining it will bring out the warmth, and darken the sound. (I read it on the internet so I know it's true!)
:D
 
Nah, everybody know that a pale rosewood board will sound bright. Staining it will bring out the warmth, and darken the sound. (I read it on the internet so I know it's true!)
:D
:laughings:
That's good to know!
I read on the internet that a darker board also makes you play much better and actually looks worth a sh!t to boot.
 
Sound doesn’t see color.
Hey Scott, I got worried about the les paul I'm having shipped to me because I was mistaken about it being a 2012. Started reading stuff on the internet about the 2012 having sandwiched 2 piece rosewood fretboards because the feds confiscated gibson's rosewood in an August 2012 raid. I was reading an argument on a les paul forum about whether laminate fretboards would be suitable for refret.
Mine is 2011 (march according to the serial #) So, mine is a one piece board.
But I'm curious..
Have you ever encountered trying to refret a 2 piece laminate fretboard?
 
Hey Scott, I got worried about the les paul I'm having shipped to me because I was mistaken about it being a 2012. Started reading stuff on the internet about the 2012 having sandwiched 2 piece rosewood fretboards because the feds confiscated gibson's rosewood in an August 2012 raid. I was reading an argument on a les paul forum about whether laminate fretboards would be suitable for refret.
Mine is 2011 (march according to the serial #) So, mine is a one piece board.
But I'm curious..
Have you ever encountered trying to refret a 2 piece laminate fretboard?
I haven’t encountered any of these laminated fingerboards but I don’t think it would be an issue refretting one unless you were needing to sand the fingerboard straight and had problems with sanding through the top layer of veneer.
 
I haven’t encountered any of these laminated fingerboards but I don’t think it would be an issue refretting one unless you were needing to sand the fingerboard straight and had problems with sanding through the top layer of veneer.
I've looked at pics of them, with the binding or the nut removed and the top layer is thicker than the bottom. I figured that was for more meat to sand if you needed to sand the board.
I figured a refret should work, but there are guys on the les paul forums who say it's gonna need the old fretboard removed and a new one installed when it's time for a refret.
Glad mine is a one piece, but honestly if the fretboard looks good, plays and feels good I would be fine with it.
After doing that research I see that the 2012's generally don't bring as much as other years (prior and post 2012)
More than likely because of this fretboard issue
 
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Good job Gibson don't make telecasters.
I love my all maple neck.
Yeah, I've got two G&Ls, a Fender and a Melancon, all with maple necks. They're all much brighter than my guitars with ebony fretboards. So that just PROVES the point that a light colored fretboard makes a guitar bright!!!!

It has absolutely nothing at all to do with the pickups, or that they're all single coils/25.5" scales instruments.
 
Maple fretboards are bright. That's why almost every country guitar picker that wants that snap, for chicken pickin' style lead guitar work, had a maple fretboard guitar (90% of the time a telecaster)
 
Maple fretboards are bright. That's why almost every country guitar picker that wants that snap, for chicken pickin' style lead guitar work, had a maple fretboard guitar (90% of the time a telecaster)
Dang it! Just when I finally figured it all out, this guy goes and blows my theory out of the water! Back to the drawing board.

 
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