Getting Mesa sounds out of a JCM800?

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tom18222 said:
youre getting awefully angry over such a stupid thing. i'll mic my amp and put them up, give me a while. i dont why youre so angry, you just cant accept new technolory. im not saying its better than your mesa, i'm saying its different. so i'll post my sounds to "boogie boy" will shut his damn mouth.

i have selection of tones, not just one or two amps, i got 30 amps in one setup. not al of them sound good, but the mojority do. im not about them sounding like the actual model, i just want to make a nice sound.
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Who's angry? You must be a sensitive lad?

And technically, you have 1 amp. :rolleyes: That would be the atomic. Every thing else is just an effect of one kind or another.
 
not enough gain in an 800, even on 11, to start with.
get thee to a good tube hi-gain distortion pedal.
then do the eq thing.

good luck, probably won't be easy.
 
If the guitar player uses a mesa, why not use his mesa? If he can't for some reason, then tell him too bad a play the damn marshal.
 
Mesa from a JCM - the EQ in the loop will get you the closest. If you have access to a Rocktron ProQ, put that in the loop and you'll get closer. The goal with getting a JCM to sound more Mesa is to remember what mesa's really are - Hot Rodded Fender amps. Mesa was started by ex_Fender engineers who did not like the direction Fender was carrying them. They left and started Mesa. True to their product, the core design surrounding the Mesa sound has changed very little over the years. You are looking for more saturation with a beefier bass response.

If you wind up having access to the ProQ, go thru the presets and find one that sounds close. Start tweaking the phase and the phase mix. Back off on the presence and the treble. The Bass setting is very responsive, so be careful there.

The Pod - Although I am not an advocate of these, Dawg - you really need to have a little more diversified knowledge of things before you start spouting off about something. Personal experience only accounts for a small percentage of what there is to know about something.

If anyone here went to see the Trans-Siberian Orchestra tour in the past three years, you were listening to Pods on the guitars. So yes, they can definitely sound extremely strong and vibrant in a live setting.
 
HangDawg said:
If the guitar player uses a mesa, why not use his mesa? If he can't for some reason, then tell him too bad a play the damn marshal.
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The guitarist is probably 16 years old, and using his older brother's Mesa without permission, and aint' no way he can get that thing into the studio without getting his ass kicked. :D
 
alien said:
The goal with getting a JCM to sound more Mesa is to remember what mesa's really are - Hot Rodded Fender amps. Mesa was started by ex_Fender engineers who did not like the direction Fender was carrying them. They left and started Mesa.
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I won't say that is not true, because I honestly don't know, but are you sure you are not confused with Rivera? He was working for Fender and they even released a few of his amps before he started his own company.



But on a side note, it doesn't matter what amp anyone uses. A good guitar player can play any style of music on any amp and it will still sound great.
 
Hate to hijack the now "pod" thread but back to the original question and an almost double post by your's truly. Eq in the loop. Question........ I am ignorant of the Jcm signal path. If it does have a loop use it. If not it will be relevant to your eq settings to know whether your on board EQ is pre or post the first gain stage. I will pull up a schematic and observe. Will report back.
 
Okay, checked schmatic for 2203 model JCM 800, 100 watt. Don't know which one you have but this schematic
http://www.schematicheaven.com/marshallamps/jcm800_lead_mstvol_100w_2203.pdf

shows the tone stack after the pre-stage. Try signal path: Booster (no eq, no overdrive just boost) - eq, reverse smily face eq. (mid boost) amp input, gain to your taste, probably lots but you would be surprised that often lower gain records better and sounds more full, next use your eq to scoop the mids, the smily eq in essence. Good luck. PS enjoy the POD. Mine keeps my neighbors sane. It also makes my Boogies and Marshalls jealous of the attention. Note to hangdog. Visited your site, liked your tunes, not my thing but to each his own. My guess was right about your age. Provided you were in the photo.
 
Thurgood said:
Okay, checked schmatic for 2203 model JCM 800, 100 watt. Don't know which one you have but this schematic
http://www.schematicheaven.com/marshallamps/jcm800_lead_mstvol_100w_2203.pdf

shows the tone stack after the pre-stage. Try signal path: Booster (no eq, no overdrive just boost) - eq, reverse smily face eq. (mid boost) amp input, gain to your taste, probably lots but you would be surprised that often lower gain records better and sounds more full, next use your eq to scoop the mids, the smily eq in essence. Good luck. PS enjoy the POD. Mine keeps my neighbors sane. It also makes my Boogies and Marshalls jealous of the attention. Note to hangdog. Visited your site, liked your tunes, not my thing but to each his own. My guess was right about your age. Provided you were in the photo.
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Nope, not my band, songs or pictures. I just recorded the dudes. I'm 37. They are all 21.

Thanks anyway for what I believe is a compliment :D
 
alien said:

The Pod - Although I am not an advocate of these, Dawg - you really need to have a little more diversified knowledge of things before you start spouting off about something. Personal experience only accounts for a small percentage of what there is to know about something.

If anyone here went to see the Trans-Siberian Orchestra tour in the past three years, you were listening to Pods on the guitars. So yes, they can definitely sound extremely strong and vibrant in a live setting.
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Either way, most people who say the POD rocks never provide any samples to prove it. Some have but they usually sounds like ass. And that's not just my opinion as many of the locals agree.
 
It was acompliment. Good job on the recording I liked the quality, as a matter of fact it caught my attention first. I said to a co-worker, on break of course, that the production was great but I hate that type of music. Props to you. Little did I know you were the dude who recorded it. How is that for an unbiased review. LOL PS I saw your age after the fact. 37.
 
Thurgood said:
It was acompliment. Good job on the recording I liked the quality, as a matter of fact it caught my attention first. I said to a co-worker, on break of course, that the production was great but I hate that type of music. Props to you. Little did I know you were the dude who recorded it. How is that for an unbiased review. LOL PS I saw your age after the fact. 37.
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It was tough recording these guys. I'm not used to that kind of stuff either. They are all good players though. Matter of fact they are returning for 2 more songs in a couple weeks.

Thanks again.
 
IronFlippy said:
Here's a thread with links to someone's PODxt.
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/...-convolution-today.html?highlight=impulse+pod

The trick to getting a good modeler recording is to use cab impulses. I'm still trying to find settings that work well for me using my cheap Zoom pedal, but it sounds many times better with cab impulses than it does with the built-in cab sim.
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I'd have to say, that is probably the best pod tone I've ever heard. However there are parts of that song where the pod fails miserably. I've always thought they were decent for clean and chunky tones, but have never heard them in any other context that I like. He did manage to slip the Ibanez in there also, wonder how much of the tone it's responsible for.
 
Yea, I agree, PODs can't really do anything aside from clean and high gain. Trying to squeeze a decent slightly overdriven sound out of one is next to impossible.
 
Some people just loose sight of what is actually important.

What would you rather have? The greatest Godlike sound...or great skill combined with great talent for making music? Any stupid fool can go buy any kind of amp and "sound" fantasitc.

You do not need thousands of $$ worth of gear to make really good recordings. What you need is talent, an experienced ear, vision for what you want, and the knowledge of how to use the gear you have.

Amp vs POD will never be settled. I've hear bands use PODs live and they sounded GREAT...taken in context with what the band's sound IS. I've heard bands with top of the line botique amps that sounded like ass in any context.

Your sound is a lot more up to YOU..not so much up to your gear.
 
HangDawg said:
Sure, they sound Ok in your bedroom. Get them out live, and they sound like ass. Layer about 6 tracks of them and see how weak they'll sit in a mix. My guess is either you've never done either of the above or you don't know what a good guitar sound is. Probably both!
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i also use a Pod all the time,live and in the stud
and love the sounds and freedom of the thing,
like many many thousands of others
its all about opinions,but theres no need for such cheek i suggest :o

i dont think your wanky attitude to it does you any favours sir


might i suggest that if you are layering about six of them and finding it sounds weak,that you havent got a clue what your doing or dont know what a good guitar sound is?

i may not? why not?

so the only opinion that counts is yours?
fuck sake
grow up sir and allow others an opinion :rolleyes:
 
HangDawg said:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=27595193

That's even before the head was modded. Had 10 year old preamp tubes in it.
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,,,,er,,,,,,,and?
whats so special about that guitar sound?
am i missing something folks
its prett bog standard generic gruntrock fodder to my ears

:confused:

please,,,enlighten me ?

i cant really equate the boasting over this SUPER guitar sound
(which i dont hear)
to the shite you have dished out :rolleyes:

an extremely tuneless/songless band too i reckon,
since we are in a loving sharing mood

what happened to people helping each other out on here?
the original poster asked for some help,
and it turned into a Pod slating contest

oh,,and by the way,,you started it ,by not bein nice;)

not nice is it? ;)
 
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HangDawg said:
Hey if people want to do the POD, fine let them. They just can't be running around saying that it sounds as good as a real amp/mic. Cause it doesn't. I put up mine, now I want to hear POD boys magic modeler
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hooray,,at last
a breakthru!
couldnt you have just said that at the start before ye made me get all pissed off with the whole snobbery of it all man?i fuckin HATE gear snobs !
hence my previous posts
jeezuz :o

cant we all just get along? :D ;)
 
Zed10R said:
Some people just loose sight of what is actually important.

What would you rather have? The greatest Godlike sound...or great skill combined with great talent for making music? Any stupid fool can go buy any kind of amp and "sound" fantasitc.

You do not need thousands of $$ worth of gear to make really good recordings. What you need is talent, an experienced ear, vision for what you want, and the knowledge of how to use the gear you have.

Amp vs POD will never be settled. I've hear bands use PODs live and they sounded GREAT...taken in context with what the band's sound IS. I've heard bands with top of the line botique amps that sounded like ass in any context.

Your sound is a lot more up to YOU..not so much up to your gear.
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absofuckinlutely :cool: well said sir
 
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