AllenM
Member
Now comes the most important part...recording all of my songs!
SteveM
New member
Wow. 
Look at the size of that mixer and amp. 
What else do you have there? Is that a Leslie?
Look at the size of that mixer and amp. What else do you have there? Is that a Leslie?
cjacek
Analogue Enthusiast
I like the way you spaced out the MS-16. Are the harnesses long enough to connect? Ah, yes, I remember the Ramsa! 
Is it working well?
Are the harnesses long enough to connect? Ah, yes, I remember the Ramsa! Is it working well?
AllenM
Member
Its a Hammond Tone cabinet. I found a local B3 for $500 and it came with this speaker. I need to save up for a leslie, but they cost about a grand. 
The wires from the machine barely reach over. I stuck the machine in the closet and used the cable outlet to feed the cables to the meter/brain of the ms-16. The Ramsa works great, channel 2 messes up a bit but if I move the slider or trim pot it starts up again, this only happens a few times but I can work with it. Its a really good mixer. One thing I need to learn is how to add more effects. This thing only has 2 FX inputs but I also have 4 empty channels. I'd like to use few fx mainly tape delay, spring rev, and digital rev.
The wires from the machine barely reach over. I stuck the machine in the closet and used the cable outlet to feed the cables to the meter/brain of the ms-16. The Ramsa works great, channel 2 messes up a bit but if I move the slider or trim pot it starts up again, this only happens a few times but I can work with it. Its a really good mixer. One thing I need to learn is how to add more effects. This thing only has 2 FX inputs but I also have 4 empty channels. I'd like to use few fx mainly tape delay, spring rev, and digital rev.
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dodgeaspen
New member
It looks real nice man.
briank
analog for the people!
Nice, Allen! That Ramsa looks businesslike...regarding the effects, just use the spare channels as returns, then you have full EQ for them too. Perhaps a small patchbay could be in your future if you're adding more outboard?
AllenM
Member
I'm not too sure what a patchbay does or what it can do. 
briank
analog for the people!
Routing, what you do is hook your ouboard and whatever else you'd want (console channels, auxes, busses, tape ins and outs, whathaveyou) to the back of the bay and on the front there are open jack patch points. You use short little patch cords and can route any input/output in the studio to any other just with a short little 1' cable, meaning you can patch various piece of gear together with one central bay rather than having to go behind pieces of equipment to patch your signal chains together. It's the way studios with a fair bit of gear route all their ins and outs without having to hunt around behind racks of gear or run long mic cables between rooms. You end up with a couple more connection points between pieces of gear which isn't ideal and it's more cabling to buy, but it simplifies your routing and makes patching much more convenient.
In my studio where we're recording commercially in a co-op environment (several of us engineers pooled our gear together into one big shared studio), we have lots of console channels, lots of outboard, several different recorders and a couple tracking rooms all to connect to together...our bay has over 400 patch points that can be connected together, and that's without every single thing in the studio wired to it...can you imagine routing all that without the patch bay!
Here's a little reading, hope I didn't open a can of worms, probably not too necessary for a smaller setup, just thinking out loud
http://www.tweakheadz.com/patchbay_setup.html
Thinking about your setup, if you have a 20ch console with inserts, 8 busses, a couple auxes, a 16 track recorder, a 4 track recorder, and a few pieces of outboard, you could easily fill up a couple 48-point patch bays and then some with what you have...but of course...whether it would be overtly worthwhile or advantageous to you is an entirely different matter...if you're recording in the same room as most of your gear, and if you're not using all that many channels at one time, or much outboard at one time, it's not really all that necessary, and probably an unnecessary complication in your studio which looks nice and tidy and simple...but when you mentioned adding more effects, I started thinking about your signal routing...I probably should keep my mouth shut but I've had waaay too much coffee today hehe
In my studio where we're recording commercially in a co-op environment (several of us engineers pooled our gear together into one big shared studio), we have lots of console channels, lots of outboard, several different recorders and a couple tracking rooms all to connect to together...our bay has over 400 patch points that can be connected together, and that's without every single thing in the studio wired to it...can you imagine routing all that without the patch bay!
Here's a little reading, hope I didn't open a can of worms, probably not too necessary for a smaller setup, just thinking out loud
http://www.tweakheadz.com/patchbay_setup.html
Thinking about your setup, if you have a 20ch console with inserts, 8 busses, a couple auxes, a 16 track recorder, a 4 track recorder, and a few pieces of outboard, you could easily fill up a couple 48-point patch bays and then some with what you have...but of course...whether it would be overtly worthwhile or advantageous to you is an entirely different matter...if you're recording in the same room as most of your gear, and if you're not using all that many channels at one time, or much outboard at one time, it's not really all that necessary, and probably an unnecessary complication in your studio which looks nice and tidy and simple...but when you mentioned adding more effects, I started thinking about your signal routing...I probably should keep my mouth shut but I've had waaay too much coffee today hehe
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rene-lemieux
Member
Wow Allen, I'm impressed. You should hire me as your assistant, and I could finally move down from Canada legally and work!
...seriously though
...seriously though
AllenM
Member
Thanks for all your comments. It's taken me quite awhile to get a nice setup to where I can work efficiently without any complaints. This has done it I do have one question though... I have one effect that I want to use for ALL vocals. I plug my non-stereo fx it into my FX return I have the option to control how much goes into the FX and back into channel 20 mono to be exact. If I pan one back up vocal a little to the left, the other backup vocal a little to the right, would the FX I add to them still affect the panned backup vocals or only 50%
I do have one question though... I have one effect that I want to use for ALL vocals. I plug my non-stereo fx it into my FX return I have the option to control how much goes into the FX and back into channel 20 mono to be exact. If I pan one back up vocal a little to the left, the other backup vocal a little to the right, would the FX I add to them still affect the panned backup vocals or only 50%
AllenM
Member
If I ever do make some extra cash by selling gold records... I will give you a call! ;-)
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My band, Good Timing >
Where are you located..??!
AllenM
Member
I live in the deep south Texas. Deep south... jk
Why?
Why?
rene-lemieux
Member
Also, I cant believe you picked up a B3 for 500 dollars! I own a hammond H-832, 2 M3's and a L100, and I pretty much paid the same amount for each of those as you paid for the B3. If a B3 comes up for sale in Canada, It's going to cost $4000 or more. I WISH I had one 
briank
analog for the people!
That really is a stellar deal on a B3! In the studio we have an old Hammond Model E. It predates the B3 by at least a decade, in a big console more like a C3 and has a full AGO pedalboard, no perc but sounds very similar to a B3 otherwise...the speaker is a Leslie 22R expect it's missing the "R" They're very cool organs! Heck, you can't get a decent digital emulator for 500 bucks! Well done, Allen!
They're very cool organs! Heck, you can't get a decent digital emulator for 500 bucks! Well done, Allen!
rene-lemieux
Member
My H-382 is the closest thing I have to a B3, it's a last generation hammond tube/tonewheel organ, and has 2 full scale manuals, and a full pedalboard aswell, plus 8 types of perc. (but no "third"!). Sounds good, but it's no b3. I just bought a leslie last week, it's a model 25, but it's modded to act like a 125 with 2 speeds. COOL!
SteveM
New member
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TWProductions
New member
I am so jealous...props bro
AllenM
Member
I found it through craigslist. The B3 turns on and the motor spins but the previous owner soldered wires connecting to the speaker instead of buying a cable... So I have to get that undone. I can't wait to try it but I first have to buy some monitors which are about 300. The guy will charge me about 60 dollars but I'm grateful that I found a B3 for 500. I eventually would like to buy a leslie 122...
rene-lemieux
Member
To he whom asked I purchased my leslie 25 for 700 dollars, it came with a M3 organ with a leslie kit, a box to connect anything to the leslie via 1/4" jack, as well as the Modifications he did to it (he's an organ repairman) to convert it to a 125.
@ allen. So, what exactly did the previous owner do? I should read that again.
@ allen. So, what exactly did the previous owner do? I should read that again.
