Fender Hot Rod Deluxe vs. Deville

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hello all

this is quick and easy.
i'm going to upgrade from my valvestate fender roc pro 1000.

im looking at either a fender hot rod deluxe or a deville
this will be my first tube amp, very excited.

i know both are similar in tone.
and i'd like to know if the 40 watt (deluxe) and 60 watt (deville) output makes that much of a difference when it comes to gigging. im pretty sure the deluxe will hold its own on gigs where no micing is involved.

and its cheaper.

thanks for you advice, in advance
 
Okay, I'm a novice but from my understanding isn't having the lower wattage good if you want to crank it to get that good tube breakup, and if there's a PA/Mixer system you can just mic the amp if its not loud enough, and besides if you're playing in a full band, that's alot of sound to just throw out at the crowd individually and have all the sounds hit them, so the mixer is the best idea, no?
 
the supersonic is a bit out of my price range
i dont trust a clean input without a mid knob as well! hehe

and i did think about getting nice feedback from my overdrive pedal
its an important sound to my show.
and i figure, as matchbooknotes does, that the 40 watt deluxe will give me more of that than the deville.

am i right?
 
if there's alot of difference it probably would come more from the different speaker packages... isn't one a single 12 and the other like 4 10's or something??? a doubling of power only gives a difference of 3db... alot of people (hard to believe) have trouble telling the difference in 3db... 6db no problem but that 4X's the power... so going from 40-60wts an increase of only 50%??? naw...
 
The Hot Rod series is kinda lame. I used one for a year and was never happy with it.

Check out Peavey's Classic series. Classic 30/50/Delta Blues etc....
Much better sound and feel in my opinion.
 
yeah, the deville im looking at has 2 12 inch speakers
the deluxe has 1 12 inch.
the difference in wattagem is exactly 20 watts. im sure the volume output is what you say... not much difference.
so im more likely to get that lovely feedback on the deluxe.

i have to test them side by side though. something i havent done yet.

the peavey's i dont like much. prefer the fender clean tone.
 
I was playing through a Deluxe on Saturday. Seemed pretty fuckin loud to me, even at lower settings. Though I've heard people say that the incremental volume increase is marginal when you get past half-way.
 
telepaul good points. My question to the buyer is: headroom or breakup at low volume?. Sorry to be so short but new puppy needs attention. Have more BS to spout later.
 
Sloan said:
The Hot Rod series is kinda lame. I used one for a year and was never happy with it.

Check out Peavey's Classic series. Classic 30/50/Delta Blues etc....
Much better sound and feel in my opinion.
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I'll have to agree. I'd tried several of the Hot Rod series combos (2x12 and 4x10), as well as a Vox AC30, and a Peavey Classic 50/410 and Classic 50/212 before deciding on the Classic 50/212. To me, a Peavey Classic 50/212 sounds just like a Vox AC30, except for not having the built-in tremolo that the AC30 does.

Matt
 
Sloan said:
The Hot Rod series is kinda lame. I used one for a year and was never happy with it.

Check out Peavey's Classic series. Classic 30/50/Delta Blues etc....
Much better sound and feel in my opinion.
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You know, I'd be the very last to put down Peavey, as I had both a Classic 30 and a Delta Blues 410, until recently. Sold the C30 after buying the DB210 because they were just too much alike, and then sold the DB210 after buying a Silverface Twin Reverb (then trading it straight across for a Deluxe Reverb) because the Fenders had a noticably better tone. Again, not raggin' on the Peaveys, just I got lucky and could thus move forward. I now have a silverface Pro Reverb, in addition to the Deluxe Reverb. My comparison impressions:

All 3 Fenders (which are from the late 70's) have better tone than the Peaveys. You would only really hear it in a studio environment, though- live, I don't think anyone would notice. Dunno how modern Fenders would compare.

The Tremomo (Fender has always, lamely and incorrectly, called it vibrato) on the Fenders is deeper than the Peaveys- but again, it's SO deep that you would rarely ever need that much trem depth. I know the amps you are looking at do not have tremolo- but you can turn it off easily!

Reverb on both F's and P's is way deep- all have much more than any sane man could ever want or need.

The Fenders DO turn heads more than the Peaveys did, if that's important to you. It is to some, if only because it sorta gives you cred. Of course, you can just remove the Peavey badge from the front of slightly older C30's and C50's, and only the really sharp-eyed will notice.

I am not a touring musician on a budget. On a budget, yes, but I bought these right and almost can not lose money on them. I understand the Peaveys are very popular among touring musicians, and I can tell you that Peavey's customer service runs RINGS around Fender's- something that would be very important if you find yourself on the road and your amp craps out, or even if it gets beat up.

As for your original question, I can not address it directly from personal experience, but I can offer this: The guy who traded his Deluxe for my Twin did so because he was getting lost next to the drummer. He later told me the Twin (late 70's 125-watt model) had MORE than enough, and could spank his drummer if he wanted to. 'Course, he went from 20 watts to 125. My Pro has 60 watts (as I recall) and two 12's, and was plenty loud up against a drummer, and 6 other musicians, last Friday.

Oh, the Pro is for sale, too. Competative to the amps you are considering. PM or email me if interested.
 
^ I would agree with the above post. There are lots of good Fender amps, but the Hot Rod series just don't sound like other Fender amps, they're kinda muffled and flabby sounding to me and the overdrive is just useless.

The best sound I ever got out of my Hot Rod Deluxe was when I ran a bass through it, sounded great as a bass amp!


If your interested in a 4x10, please do yourself a favor and check out the old Fender Bassman Ten amps. They sound pretty good and can be had for $300-400.
 
Take a look at the blues deluxe as well, i have heard the same as above about the hot rod series, but I think this is one of the best reasonably affordable recent fender tube options. I htink they are only 30 watts (still really loud for my use) and seems to have more of the classic fender tone, and the nice reverb.

That said, if i didn't get mine free, i would be looking for a vintage fender anyway.


Daav
 
if you are going to spend $400-500 on a Fender Hot Rod, just spend another $400 and get an amp that you can really appreciate the tone of (Fender Twin)
 
Supercreep said:
Check out the Supersonic before you buy.
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Just sayin'.

My deville sits under my desk, unused except rarely for reamping or electric piano/clavinet.

The distortion is just too hazy and muddy for my taste. I like Carvin's vintage series a lot better. The Supersonic is nice though. Horses for courses.

But I'd skip the hot rod series as well.
 
Hot Rodder

I use a Delux Hot Rod and the guys in the band are always telling me I'm to loud. I just say "Thanks, l like loud!":cool:
 
You should look at getting a used Vibrolux. 45 watts, plenty loud and it has 2x10 inch speakers. It has the classic sound of Fender at a reasonable price and is not as heavy as the twin.

If you want more breakup, Blues Deluxe or a regular Deluxe Reverb.
 
Get yourself a used Traynor YCV50 Blue or a Traynor YCV80. Both of these amps are loud as hell and sound real good. If you like the cranked sound I would go with the 50 for cleans I like the 80. I am splitting hairs here both amps are different and both sound amazing I would take the YCv80 over a Twin any day. You can get real deals on these amps used.
 
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