Fade outs in Sonar 6

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Anyone else notice that the fade outs in sonar 6 suck ass?
I can,t get a fade out that doesn't turn off like a switch at the end to save my life without also throwing a gain envelope on the track or song to give the built in fades some help. Doesn't matter if it's linier, expodential or reverse expedential. If your fading the end of a song out forget about it.


PA9 was fine. Somebody forgot to make the fades go to zero in sonar 6.


OK, I'm better now :D Just had to vent.

F.S.
 
Freudian Slip said:
Anyone else notice that the fade outs in sonar 6 suck ass?
I can,t get a fade out that doesn't turn off like a switch at the end to save my life without also throwing a gain envelope on the track or song to give the built in fades some help. Doesn't matter if it's linier, expodential or reverse expedential. If your fading the end of a song out forget about it.


PA9 was fine. Somebody forgot to make the fades go to zero in sonar 6.


OK, I'm better now :D Just had to vent.

F.S.
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HAHAHAA :D :D :D
Now that is how you vent and then press forward!!!!!
Yeah, it sucks that Sonar 6 would even allow such a thing! Not after all this time and the money invested. I still have 4 Producer but I use wavelab to do my fades. But it's good you know how to vent! :)
 
I'm still using Sonar 5 producer, but I've never had any problem with the fades.
Are you stretching the fade out past where the audio already cuts off?

Wierd.
 
metalhead28 said:
I'm still using Sonar 5 producer, but I've never had any problem with the fades.
Are you stretching the fade out past where the audio already cuts off?

Wierd.
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Nope, Ive tried cropping the track further and refading just to make sure. It's easy to fix with an envelop at the end of a song and not so bad you would notice it if you faded a part out in the middle of a busy song, but it's there for sure.

Gets pretty quiet and then snip, it's gone. At mixing volumes it's extremely apperant.

Glad S5 does not suffer from the same issue.

F.S.
 
I wonder if it's a glitch in the slip editing feature?
I will make sure I cutt and delete any excess next time as opposed to slip editing. Then I'll try a fade and see what happens.

Hell I'll go find something and do it right now.

Edit: Well it's bad both ways. Slip edit and fad or cut and fade.
The whole fade funtion doesn't feel right? It's like you start hearing fad after you think you should and it never gets the chance to finish fading all the way.

I am also less than impressed with the crossfade feature in s6 as well. Perhaps they are both running off the same mis-typed set of instructions :confused:

Other than that I'm pleased as punch with S6 over PA9 so if that's my bad glitchs I can live with it for now.

Hope to be getting Wavelab mastering suite in the next year or so. Then I'll be putting the stereo track in there anyway.

F.S.
 
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Bumpage :)
Just saw this. Did you ever figure this out? Six' here, no such problems.
I do gain' and track' envelopes extensively here (mostly over slip edit fades just 'cause it keeps a working visual record of the track I suppose.
wayne
 
I find it's much easier (and better) to just make the song longer than you want,
export it to the final mixdown .wav, then fade it in an audio editor like SoundForge, which has marvelous graphical fade in/out tools.
 
TimOBrien said:
I find it's much easier (and better) to just make the song longer than you want,
export it to the final mixdown .wav, then fade it in an audio editor like SoundForge, which has marvelous graphical fade in/out tools.
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Ah, but often the "exactly-perfect" :) fade out is a combination of the different instruments doing their carefully choreographed gloriously entwined outro dance.
..Or so I've heard. :D
 
mixsit said:
Bumpage :)
Just saw this. Did you ever figure this out? Six' here, no such problems.
I do gain' and track' envelopes extensively here (mostly over slip edit fades just 'cause it keeps a working visual record of the track I suppose.
wayne
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It's just the slip edit fades.... There's not much to say. They don't fade out all the way. They drop to a point and then shut off. I tried removing any compression on the bus, etc, etc. It's jsut the way it is. Like I said, in the middle of a song you won't notice. At the end of the song with fading piano or ringing guitar it's pretty damn obvious.

I have not tried it with 24 bit files. I suppose with the extra dynamic range it might work better. I was working in 16 bit the times I noticed.

It's nit picky I know, but they should fix it ;)


F.S.
 
mixsit said:
Ah, but often the "exactly-perfect" :) fade out is a combination of the different instruments doing their carefully choreographed gloriously entwined outro dance.
..Or so I've heard. :D
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This is true ;) :D


As for me, I'll just tell people I love the impact of the sudden silence for now.

"dude the silience like, hits you in the face! did you feel it!"

You know. I'll be all profound & stuff :D


F.S.
 
I had exactly the same problem. I just wanted some nice fadeouts at the end of some live drum recordings, and the slip fades just sounded fake as anything! I ended up having to automate my entire track, which then made it even harder to mix at the end!

Sort it out Cakewalk!
 
Wait... there's a way to fade without using volume envelopes? I put volume envelopes on all my tracks - for other reasons - and never even looked for another option.
 
EddieRay said:
Wait... there's a way to fade without using volume envelopes? I put volume envelopes on all my tracks - for other reasons - and never even looked for another option.
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Hover your mouse over the top right of an audio clip. It should make a curved symbol. Drag it back, and whadya know! =]
 
technominds said:
Hover your mouse over the top right of an audio clip. It should make a curved symbol. Drag it back, and whadya know! =]
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It's true;) crappy fades are a mouse click away :D Once you pull the fade back or foprward from the end of the track you can right click over the fade line and pick the type of crappy fade you want too ;)

It is a real nice feature for bringing agressive parts in and out of songs with out them sounding like you are muting and unmuting them. I'll use just as short of fade as I can for that. It 's way easier than the envelope method in those instances.

F.S.
 
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