Ever made a mix that sounded so good you thought it didnt need to be mastered?

[illacov]

Im listening to it in Real Player

and its playing back MAD fast i mean tempo pitch its all jacked up

do you know whats the normal speed for the song??

Its 103 bpm

i cant even listen to like this it sounds terrible
not that it doesnt sound terrible compared to the remix im gonna do but it sounds like a joke when i play (all sped up i mean )

oh man
i hope normal speed is the real normal speed for everybody else

Peace

 

[illacov]

are you guys being honest with me??

ive listened to the file in an audio editor and its still sped up the sample rate is correct and everything seems ok until its getting played what the fuck is going on with that website???

this is mighty confusing and frustrating


Peace
Illacov

 

[sonicpaint]

What a doozy!

I have to agree with a lot of what chessrock said simply because if anyone is going to say that they have a mix that doesn't need to be mastered, better as hell back it up in this forum.

I do think that having people post with a note as to what words they choose would be a bit more productive though the upfront and brutal honesty is also needed. I kind of feel bad for the guy because I don't think his mix or quality was as bad as some people have made it out to seem (if the song wasn't updated with a new version).

I see he's hasn't been a part of this forum that long but I know I have learned that some things are just better left unsaid, as in this case. I do believe that personal thoughts and feeling do come into play but that's what the board is all about. Thoughts and feelings from people who have the experience to share with those who don't.

So in short if your going to ask something of the forum, keep in mind that some if not a lot of people involved here do audio engineering for a living. Those who don't have been doing it for years as a hobby or part time. The standards for good or even great audio is far higher than the standards of family friends and even the average listener.

Just take it as a lesson learned.
sonicpaint

 

[ChristopherM]

Re: So you finally herd it

If mister bear is such a nice professional could we please have some links to his sites or material he's mastered??
This way i could tell the difference between the crap that im spewing all over the web and what he's sending out

click here

BUT HERES ONE THING TO CONSIDER
The song cost me absolutely NOTHING to produce

Franky, it sounds that way, too.

Your song is alright and if you'd listen, learn, and grow you could really have your shit together. Instead, you choose to be a closed-minded forum troll. I don't get it.

 

[illacov]

Thanks for the info man

I appreciate it...what irks me is i cant even listen to without there being some issues with the total speed of the song!

But if you guys are hearing it normal thens it ok

but if not please let me know i mean im hearing this like it never was intended to be

But I guess the difference starts with me and you regarding the whole science of engineering in a different light

yes someone that has professionally engineered for years as a profession and not a hobby DOES have more experience than me

However...engineering is just like production..there have been people who have been commercially making music for 20 years...does that mean they are any good?

Not always

certification is simply just that to me...you put in time into something and met someone else's standards that say you are qualified to be an engineer or a producer etc...

however the actual talent and ears to music are not taught. I beg to differ.... they either exist or dont.

WE ALL make our dingers in life however thats what first drafts are all about...People may not like the song on this forum or they might like it alot my concern is with both groups of people but im a businessman as well as an artist so my obvious goal is to get as many people as i can that like or will like the material to buy it..

In terms of sound quality....This is an INDIE label and people are not expecting the sound quality to be INCREDIBLE...BUT the sound quality is better than mixtape quality and a step or two beneath professional demo qual or the quick burns that typical a and r people and execs get before artists begin their recording schedule most average people on the street are fine with that quality.
Only when the millions of dollars that get spent come into play do you get that two or three increments better and these are small increments that we are speaking about...we are not talking about turning absolute silence into an orchestra... the boost in levels and in clarity is desirable from the mastering process but in reality only to the people that made the song IF and ONLY IF they NEED that boost in clarity because the listeners NOTICE that the song is NOT professional sounding

If it sounds pro or commercial already then they arent gonna notice the difference on the radio or in their car...except maybe that the volume needs a little help (with some peoples albums) or that the cd has been burned (artwork etc)

but im not dealing with simply people that review albums and what you guys are defining as professionally releasing an album is all part of a grand scheme thats been in existence since the 60s that excludes a huge deal of people from being involved in the commercial aspect of the recording industry....the biggest reason?

The MONEY

The REAL mastering costs way more money than I can afford and whatever somebody like Blue Bear is gonna give me or Jeff Jackson your mom and pop engineer is gonna end up getting dinged in the end because im gonna still need Bob Clearmountain to touch my stuff because why? Your stuff sounds pretty good but we still need Bob to re master it WHY????

Whats so special that Bobs gonna do that Blue Bear can't

I mean Blue Bears got that 10 million dollar facility we've all dreamed of dont he...Hes got custom SSL boards and modified versions of compressors and Neve eqs too right??

But does he have Bobs studio at his beck and call NO

So for me to get hammered about my gear is a bad call why?

Cuz the same hash that gets slung at me is the same hash i can sling back at you.

Im not making professional choices because of my gear??

Ok
Whats your gear list???
Where'd you get it?
Who modified it?

Whats the serial number
What series is it
Whos the QC that inspected your console?

I mean we can get gully with the technical side of things if people want to because ive met enough engineers in my time to know that most of them ARENT in the know of generally anything at all about music.

Most of them sit around all day and just call people out about their equipment and how they arent professional and nobody can replace them and blah blah blah...You guys dont realize it but you're just the projectionist in the movie theater let me watch the fuckin Matrix adjust the lens and shut the hell up.

And If the director wasnt thinking about you or your career when he skipped releasing the film in the theaters and sent movie straight to DVD then you know what you need to get with the program.
Because a good deal of money gets made like that with movies and with indie labels they skip one step that saves them a ton of money and yet people still buy the films and still buy the music and actually listen to it..

People dont have time to keep trying to find the RIGHT engineer so they follow everyone elses lead because nothing succeeds like success

I would love to know what hit songs anybody has engineered who posts on this website and let me see your track record.
Cuz so far i dont recognize any of your names and i buy alot of cds and actually READ the liner notes.
Dont tell me you worked under somebody or that you know somebody or your stepfathers uncle is related to because chances are you just bought that facility and you still charge by the hour.

If you do charge hourly rates (under 250/hr) dont talk to me about professional mastering because you're still a bottom feeder..

MEs that work with big time artists dont get paid hourly they are independent contractors who get paid percentages and flat fees that go well over 5 figures depending on the engineer..

But

the same applies to me I just learned everything I know from Ghostface Killah and used to work with Epic Records/Razor Sharp Records...Im nobody

So in my opinion if its not for real

ITS NOT at all

Blue Bear good luck with your career im still going to Bob Clearmountain..Explain to me why i shouldnt go to him and why i should go to you.. And if you dont know who he is.,, we have nothing more to say to each other..

Like i said thank you Sonic paint you are very much so correct ive cleared the air about some stuff that came up in this topic
and hope that everybody travels in harmony
please close the topic

Peace
Illacov

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

Re: Thanks for the info man

Blue Bear good luck with your career im still going to Bob Clearmountain..Explain to me why i shouldnt go to him and why i should go to you..

You SHOULD go to Clearmountain if you can afford it.

You SHOULDN'T go to me because I run a studio, NOT a mastering house.

The second reason you SHOULDN"T go to me is that I won't take on a client if I don't feel I can contribute something worthwhile to the project - typically, that decision is based on the project itself, but it could also be based on the personalities of the people involved.

I've met your type before - the "I'm not listening to a word you say because even though I have no talent or experience in sound, I beleive I know better than you... so prove me wrong" attitude makes for an extremely difficult client and frankly, you wouldn't be worth the trouble to me...

And I suspect Bob Clearmountain wouldn't like your attitude either....

 

[chessrock]

Lilly, If I was Bob Clearmountain, I'd charge you by the hour.

That way, I could put you on the clock while you sat there and rambled on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on. yack yack yack yack yack yack yack yac yack . . .

Okay, that's one hour. You got anything more to ad to that, Lilly Caugh? yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak yak Okay, that's two ! !

Do I hear three?

 

[regebro]

"Showcasing stellar production and absolutely no use of samples at all on the album, this is a return to the 80's before sampling ran rampant in the music world."

Ehm. Maybe you wanna rethink that. Cuz the music sounds like shit. It's like you have pressed the "Hip Hop" setting on a Casio.

Now, the song is great, and so is the rapping, and the arrangement aint bad, so keep it up! It's just that all the sound sound like a cheap ass $100 Casio.

In fact, do 7-8 song like this, and send the three best to every rap label you can find. If I had a Rap-label, I'd sure hook you up with a big time producer, becuase that shit aint bad!

But it doesn't really live up to your hype, so to speak.

And I have no idea what the BPM was, but it was right.

 

[twonky]

Hmmm, I think it sound pretty good. It didnt change the shape of my soul or anything, but in your defense very little does. I do agree that it could use at least a good mastering job, in the way that some have expalined it here. I did , however, listen to on my work PC that has a built in speaker, so take that for whats its worth.

What I do find amusing though, as I try to keep up w/ as much underground talent and up and comers in my area and I see it over and over again. Is that Rap/Hip Hop guys always start "So and So Productions" or "So and So Enterprises" and then they are always the CEO or President or whatever, leading to the question: "so, mr So and So how many employees does your 'corporation' have?"

I just think thats funny, I dont know why.

Illacov, overall not bad, you are always going to get fucked w/ here as soon as the attitude hammerheads sense something that resembles gloat.

No biggie, you gotta please yourself.

You are asking a bunch of old farts about production value who hold things like Steely Dan shit liek that in very high regard. Dont get me wrong I like Steely Dan, to. You just gotta keep it in perspective.

Just remember, opinions are like buttholes...

Twonky

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

I do agree that it could use at least a good mastering job, in the way that some have expalined it here.

I would like to know how one "masters" out distortion!

 

[twonky]

You mean T Racks won't do that?

I am kind of going w/ Chessrock on the angle that it almost seems intentional in a Beastie Boys kinda way. Unless I missed something, which is quite possible.

 

[chessrock]

Rap/Hip Hop guys always start "So and So Productions" or "So and So Enterprises" and then they are always the CEO or President or whatever, leading to the question: "so, mr So and So how many employees does your 'corporation' have?"

ROTFLMAO ! ! You nailed that one, Twonk. I like to have a little fun with 'em and ask if they're publically traded.

 

[HangDawg]

Sounds like poopy

 

[twonky]

Yeah, the local weekly Arts rag here in Richmond just did a piece on the local Hip Hop scene. Every guy featured was the Ceo of his company and was posing in front of an H2 or an Escalade in the parking lot of the local Ukrop's which is an upscale total honky grocery store where all the rich soccer moms go to buy food.

Good comedy for sure.

I dont mean it to sound belittleing, it is a part of the over all mood of Hip Hop, is just funny to see "Dr. Kwan 5" or whomever posing in front of a Escalade where the local soccer league sticker is barely preceptable in the back window.

 

[ChristopherM]

Re: Thanks for the info man

I appreciate it...<endless ramble deleted>

Well...so much for "listen and learn."

In terms of sound quality....This is an INDIE label and people are not expecting the sound quality to be INCREDIBLE...

But better than this, unless it's FREE. Personally, I get very disappointed when I buy an indie's CD and it sounds crappy.

BUT the sound quality is better than mixtape

I disagree.

Only when the millions of dollars that get spent come into play do you get that two or three increments better and these are small increments that we are speaking about...

Not true. There are many on this forum who've done better with very little. Check the MP3 forum.

Most of them sit around all day and just call people out about their equipment and how they arent professional and nobody can replace them and blah blah blah...You guys dont realize it but you're just the projectionist in the movie theater let me watch the fuckin Matrix adjust the lens and shut the hell up.

WTF?!?!

I just learned everything I know from Ghostface Killah and used to work with Epic Records/Razor Sharp Records.

Who?
And...when did you "work with" Epic? When you were a stockboy unpacked their cases of CDs at Tower before you got fired for getting high?


Man, if you won't take advice, just drop it. Quit picking on Blue Bear. Make your mixes as you please and skip the mastering if you want. Good luck.

Sincerely,
ChristopherM
President and C.E.O. of ChristopherM Productions, a division of ChristopherM Enterprises, who once "worked with" Epic Records.

 

[twonky]

Ghostface Killah

Is one of the blokes from the Wu Tang Clan. He also has one of the coolest rap names I have ever heard.

I think there is a Wu name generator somewhere on the web. Mine was "action packed mentalist"...sweet!

 

[mallcore pop]

Re: theres no samples on the song

. . .theres no samples on the song its all done with the roland jv 1010 and my SAMPLER. . .i didnt use any samples on my album AT ALL

Umm. . .

So what exactly did you learn from Ghostface?

Maybe you should have talked to the RZA. . .or maybe not.

 

[malcolm123]

Re: Ghostface Killah

Is one of the blokes from the Wu Tang Clan. He also has one of the coolest rap names I have ever heard.

I think there is a Wu name generator somewhere on the web. Mine was "action packed mentalist"...sweet!

"Only Built for Cuban Linx"is the best Cd out of the Wu Tang camp. 2nd would be Liquid Swords for me. Their quality always was subpar but the deliveries were good. Compare it to a old Outkast CD. Bobby Digital was better when they went to protools, but it was still lacking quality IMHO. Killa Army was good but not there yet either. And so on. (Deadly Venoms were slept on )


It just goes to show how times have changed for Hip Hop quality. I guess back then you had to pay for quality by using a top notch engineer ans studios. Some groups had good quality sounding CD's or tapes,, most didnt prolly cause they didnt get a good engineer. The more going on in a track, the lesser the quality back then. There were few exceptions from my POV.

If you listen to older Hip Hop and compare it to todays, it's surely different. It's warmer and smoother (grimyer) , but thats not what people want now. They want what they are used too, digital pushed !!

Listen to Digable Planets, nothing like today's hip hop but sounds good. Pull out a ole Ganstar tape or cd. Does it sound like todays' hip hop,,, Nope !!.

anyway, my favorites on production from back in the day ( based on track count, creativity, hard work)... Hank shocklee (Amerikkka's Most wanted).. and Dr. Dre " Niggas 4 Life "

For waayy back in the day "License to Ill" better yet, " Beat Street", "Jungle Brothers", "Skinny Boys"
They paid for it to sound like dat. Thousands!! although it sounds like crap right now ! to most, LOL

LA Dreamteam,, for da ole heads. LOL

It's just Technology, "might not be experience anymore"

Holla

Malcolm

 

[probestyle]

Okay here it is go and get your Wu name

http://www.recordstore.com/cgi-bin/wuname/wuname.pl

 

[Outlaws]

Okay here it is go and get your Wu name

http://www.recordstore.com/cgi-bin/wuname/wuname.pl

LMAO