Eternal Newbie question

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LTU showed you the way?

Sounds like a Frampton song.

Thank you Moses for all of your help as well...., Now about those commandments.., How's 6 out of 10 grab ya??

:)
 
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Thanks Don (Good looking out)..

I saw that 520 on Ebay and although at the moment I simply can't afford it, it does however stand testiment to Ghost REALLY letting me have it on asking about Berhinger mixers when I was super green over at Tascam.
I hope any newbies that read this will see it as enlightening and liberating proof that these very decent consoles are out there (Used) at not much more than the disposible new low end stuff.. And as Ghost said in his previous post, they're just gonna keep droping

(I gotta get mine before the world catches on!!!) :)
 
I didn't really expect to see it, but over in the guitar & bass forum no one mentioned that Wed. the 27th marked 13 (Yep 13!!) years since Stevie Ray Vaughn was killed leaving Alpine Valley in Wisconsin.

:(
 
Speaking of old analog boards, there's an old Yamaha 24 channel 4 buss board at a pawn shop here. I would say 70's vintage. Forget how many analog meters it had on it and what the model was. Anyone remember anything about the old Yamaha boards. Good, bad, run away???? I can call them for the model number.

edit: Hey I just found one on eBay. It's a Yamaha MC2404. Here it is: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2553584741&category=41475

DD
 
The Yamaha board was definitely a big one but it was designed specifically for PA applications. This is not to say it couldn't be used for a home recording rig but, the mic pre's and the monitoring sections are not set up for overdubbing and general tracking use.

The noise levels are also higher on this board compared to the 300 or 500 series from TASCAM.

The lack of unbalanced, -10db connections for a 38, 8 track recorder would also be negative points about this mixer.

The lack of inserts on the input chanels and buss master is also a pain to work with.

It is also about 10 years older.

Cheers! :)
 
The Tascam M512 & M520, no doubt, would be the righteous boards to have.

They were the topline boards of their class, [vintage, discrete controls, VU-meters, 8-buss, etc]. It hardly gets any better than that. Anyway, $600-$650 for a prime M520 is a fantastic deal, any way you slice it, and with it, you've gone from 'zero-to-pro' in about 6 seconds! As I said, if I could justify the cost, in my currently unemployed state, I'd pick up that very M520, and I was scoping it heavily before it got mentioned on this board. However, not only would I have to justify the cost to the 'bank', but I'd have to clear the decks of about 3-M30's, several Portastudios, and lots of other stuff, just to make it fit in my room!

PS: I also passed on a 'mint-in-box' MS-16, that came with rack, dbx units AND about 32 REELS of 1" TAPE, all for just over $1800. I REALLY wanted this one, but again, I'd have to justify $2K cost to the 'bank', and also the gear was in like OHIO, or some distant place, where in-person pickup would have been a MAJOR road trip!

Anyway, re: M520 and MS-16, despite my salivating at the 'puter, wishing I could just pop for these items, I have passed on bidding, for the time being. The MS-16 has bid-away for about $1850, but the M520 is still available for $600-$650, and IMO that's a super deal. How much was this board originally? My guess is about $12K, new. $650 is a great deal for that item, and the seller knows that it's a good price, and is willing to wheel & deal! I say, go for it!

Also, mentioning back to the M30 and M35, these boards can commonly be found for ~$100, more or less, avg ~$150., which is admittedly much less of a board than an M520, but still funtional and a much easier cost to justify to the 'bank'.;)
 
Well, I have developed a massive blister on my finger so the studio weekend session is cut short for the moment.

I did manage to get one song finished and roughly mixed and even posted to the mp3 clinic.

I must confess though that I have consumed the better part of a 26er of rum and was feeling no pain for the better part of the day.

The song I did was an improvisational piece and came out sounding a bit repetitive but, I liked it anyway and was happy with my inebriated results.:D

I normally track dead sober but was in a weird mood this weekend as it is sort of the end of the summer and wanted to have it go out on a "high" note.

Hoist a few a give it a listen if you get a chance. Just look for the most recent Ghost of FM post and there it will be for all the world to see or, hear at least..................

Cheers! :)
 
cool tune Fm, I hate you guys that can sit down and whip out a song in no time.

I was suppose to go boating today! But NO we had to get Rain. It has rained all day and doesnt look like it,s going to stop.
Its almost 10 and its still raining.

Oh well maybe next weekend.
 
Glad to hear you're kicking back with some groove medicine Ghost. Do we want to know how you got that blister? :)
My other (Better, well..) PC is on the fritz, but I'll TRY to give your tune a listen. (I've liked the stuff I've heard from you in the past.) There's alot of good stuff in the Mp3 clinic.

We didn't get much rain in Chicago.. (Of course I stayed in all damn day!) But damn, everyone else was getting it in IL.
I could have gone to jazz fest, but I was too lazy.

I've been fighting myself all weekend over Get a new guitar VS. Get a board. (There's alittle voice saying "Just get your electric setup again for $65.00 and use it." OR "Just keep using your crappy acoustic, fuck it. " )
 
Here's a couple of questions: (In case anyone is REALLY bored.)

1.
I'm playing guitar through this stupid POS powered mixer..
On the board there is a Main out and a PA in.
Is this just an effects loop?
Or???

2. Is there a device (Or can I build something simply) that would go between a mic and the P.A. that would give me a headphone out of just that mic??

:)
 
Assuming the main out is not the speaker outs, those should be for feeding an additional power amp and speakers for larger venues.

The PA in sounds like a fold-back input. This would be used if there was a sub mixer being used, say for a drum kit, and the output of that separate mixer would go into the powered mixer you have and blend together into the house mix.

If you need a headphone out and the mixer doesn't have one, you could feed the main outs to a stereo system amp or receiver which would have a headphone jack on it. If that's what you meant?

Cheers! :)

ps; the blister came from playing my Gibson SG for 4 hours today! I usually only play when I am recording but I was having too much fun and after it was all over, I noticed the blister but didn't feel it because of the rum!
 
Damn! (What a live sound the Tori Amos' band gets!!)

I used to love my SG. (Very playable)

Well this is just a little 50 W powered mixer you know?

The PA in and Main out (Not speakers mains) are just a single 1/4 inch each (If that means anything).


The reason behind the headphone out Is I wanted to try to fashion a vocal monitor (Headphones) from just one mic.
 
The reason behind the headphone out Is I wanted to try to fashion a vocal monitor (Headphones) from just one mic.
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You should be able to achieve that goal by using your Portastudio.

Just plug your Mic into that, plug in your headphones and adjust the cue mix to your taste.

I lost track of the overall goal of what it is your trying to do, monitoring wise?

Are you wanting to mix your vocal with other instruments and only hear the vocal in your headphone? The cue mix on the Porta should still be able to accomplish this.

Does your PA powered mixer have a cue mix and send with contols? If it does, feed the cue mix out to the Portastudio and plug your headphones into that.

Or, are you doing something more bizarre?

My brain hurts..............................:D
 
Yo ho ho and an EMPTY bottle of rum. :)

Ok... My Porta isn't in the picture. (But I COULD use it I suppose)

This would be a live application (With a Powered mixer) by which I'd like to somehow introduce a vocal monitor (in the form of headphones) but for just the mic I'd be singing into.

The powered mixer does not have a monitor bus, SO I am wondering if there is or can be easily built a direct box of sorts (With a headphone out) to put in front of the P.A.
(Mic > Mystery Box > P.A. XLR Input. )
 
Use your Portastudio as your Mystery Box in the chain you described.

Feed the output of the Portastudio to your powered mixer and , Voilà! You're done like dinner.

Sound feasible?
 
Yeah, It COULD work, but I was kind of looking for something smaller and not as fragile for live use, More like a stomp or direct box, BUT You have proved it possible with maybe a super sub compact mixer as my mystery box.
If something could be easily built and powered via 9 volt battery, I think it'd be AWESOME to make it clampable to the mic stand so your volume control and input are at your finger tips. ( I recall Alesis having SOMETHING that clamps to mic stands.. Maybe for acoustic guitar???)

This simple (although I can't do it) circuitry must be do'able no?

Maybe those little clamp on personal headphone volume boxes could be modified????


:)
 
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Once again on the cutting edge of suggesting whats already been thought of!!



Muscians Friend has a $60.00 product by ART called "MY Monitor" that does exactally what I'm looking for.
(It says it has phantom power, so I'm assuming it has XLR in and out... I need to check it out in greater detail)




Okay, next idea:
A box you can plug an electric guitar into to make it really loud. :)
 
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