EQ!? Your thoughts please

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sosob said:
EQ and mastering should not be used in the same sentence (except now)..I hate the thought that professional mastering engineers would use any kind of EQ in a final master! I'm outraged that people make i living out of primarily using an EQ for mastering!!!!- i don't care if it's loaded with hot vintage tubes either!.. If it needs any kind of EQ level adjustment it needs to be remixed, simple as that. Throw your EQ in the bin now!!!! There are 101 ways of tweaking frequencies without using an EQ!!!- Umm Hello? heard of r.e.v.e.r.b ???! -my 2 cents.
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I just have to ask: is it appropriate for me to laugh at this post, especially the reverb part?

Gee whiz... if it needs EQ, use EQ, if it needs, compression, use compression (sometimes some subtle multiband compression can work wonders), if it doesn't need anything, don't use anything, if it needs a quarter ton of TNT strapped to the mixing deck, well, at that point I wouldn't even considering the mastering stage, but using reverb to control frequencies? That makes no sense at all. I mean, even if that were a sensible suggestion, wouldn't the reverb just be acting like some sort of beyond-hyper artifact-generating (for lack of an appropriate technical term) EQ anyhow? I don't know why I even bothered to ask that question... the answer is obvious to anyone who knows what reverb is actually for... sheesh.
 
Autist said:
I just have to ask: is it appropriate for me to laugh at this post, especially the reverb part?.
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Autist, I've read a bunch of your posts, and understand why you ask. The answer is yes. :D Expressing amazement would be acceptable as well, especially at the continuing refusal of sosob to try to understand what people are saying to him.

I like your description of a hyper-artifact generator. That about covers it.

Another tool suggested by the above user is a harmonic enhancer. Worth a chuckle all by itself.
 
SOSOB -- the new Walters!

Now new and improved with better grammar, bigger words, and making even less sense than before!!!

:p
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
SOSOB -- the new Walters!

Now new and improved with better grammar, bigger words, and making even less sense than before!!!

:p
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And don't forget "attitude", Bruce! :D

Walters asks inane questions. So SOB gives inane answers. With attitude! (No extra charge for the attitude, I'll give him that. :rolleyes: )

G.
 
boingoman said:
Autist, I've read a bunch of your posts, and understand why you ask. The answer is yes. :D Expressing amazement would be acceptable as well, especially at the continuing refusal of sosob to try to understand what people are saying to him.

I like your description of a hyper-artifact generator. That about covers it.

Another tool suggested by the above user is a harmonic enhancer. Worth a chuckle all by itself.
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Thanks for the clarification and the understanding (I really wasn't sure if it would be appropriate to post my reaction to his post).

First order of business. My initial reaction (doing my best Homer Simpson impression):

R.E.V.E.R.B!!!! HAha! Oh, man, Reeeeeveeeeerb! As an EQ! Haha! What should I use, will a plug-in be sufficient? An Eventide? A Lexicon? Are there any freeware ones that are sufficient for EQing my material? How do I sidechain my reverb through a compressor if I use this method on tracks during mixing? Which should come first, compression, or reverb, or should I not use a compressor with the reverb? Will the reverb also make it loud like a commercial CD without clipping? What would I use to get rid of the artifacts and why does it make all of my stuff sound so distant???? If I use too much EQ using the prescribed method will it make my songs sound like they are being played on Mars?

I think that appropriately represents my initial reaction to the first post on this thread. Yeah, I know, a little too melodramatic...

Hey, if using harmonic enhancers, reverbs, or even salt water in the mixing deck works for him, then who am I to argue? However, it just sounds like he is trying to find a one button does all solution instead of enjoying the rewards of careful and correct craftmanship.

Small print:

The above questions were not intended to be taken seriously.

I should invent a multi-purpose mastering reverb-based frequency enhancer. I think I have my first customer already.
 
After giving this thread more consideration, I have decided to attempt a more serious reply.

I mix my own material (yawn, yeah, yeah, whatever)... I get the best mix I can, but that does not mean the final mix is going to be the very best that it can be, I mean, I KNOW my room is not perfect, neither are my monitors, or my cables, or anything in my chain. Don't get me wrong, I have the best that can be afforded for me to have, so I make the most of what I have to work with. If I master my own material some time after mixing it and defamilarizing myself with it, I may find a few things that need improvement. I can either remix to make the improvement, or use mastering techniques to do so, whichever works best at the time. This is essentially no different than if I send it to a pro for mastering. They are going to make whatever changes need to be made using whatever tools are required (be it EQ, compression, whatever...) to make it sound as good as possible on THEIR system. The right person to master it, if I send it out, will assuredly have better gear in their chain (although nothing man-made it absolutely perfect - except perhaps my new chair) than me, plus the benefits of an environment tailored for mastering and not tracking/mixing.

So if I have a mix I like and I send it off for mastering and they correct something in any frequency range with an EQ, then fine, that is why I sent it off for mastering to begin with. I get the best mix I can and then stop, otherwise my obsessive compulsiveness would take over and I would never finish mixing ANYTHING because there would always be something that could be done differently.

This doesn't mean I can't get good results mastering myself, but I would trust a competent, well-equiped pro in a better environment to get better results, even if those results are only slightly better.
 
Well lets just hope that no one falls for this bullshit.

Im done staring at it.

Time to go use my inhumaine ways of making a record sound good. My clients will be pissed when they find out im using EQ.

Danny
 
I hate EQ's too. Cause one time, at band camp, this dude threw a Pultec at me and It squashed my gonad.........
 
metalhead28 said:
I hate EQ's too. Cause one time, at band camp, this dude threw a Pultec at me and It squashed my gonad.........
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If someone threw a Pultec at me I would just grab it and run, squashed gonad, or not...
 
I dunno... A Pultec could do a lot of nad-damage. Not that I wouldn't *try* to get up and run with it, but it might take some recovery time...
 
I tried to retalliate by throwing my own eq, but it was just a cardboard software box and it didn't even make it across the room......
 
metalhead28 said:
I tried to retalliate by throwing my own eq, but it was just a cardboard software box and it didn't even make it across the room......
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Hmmm, well a cardboard box is better than trying to retaliate with a download only version...
 
i hate eqs because it gave some person an idea to start a stupid thread like this :D.

danny
 
darnold said:
i hate eqs because it gave some person an idea to start a stupid thread like this :D.

danny
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Hmmm, I don't think EQs are too blame for that, I would probably blame reverbs.
 
Autist said:
Hmmm, I don't think EQs are too blame for that, I would probably blame reverbs.
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I think it's more along the lines of his girlfriend leaving him for either an ME or an EQ salesman.

Ain't nothing wrong with SomeSOB that a hundred dollar lap dance and a bottle of Jack couldn't fix for a night.

G.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
I think it's more along the lines of his girlfriend leaving him for either an ME or an EQ salesman.

Ain't nothing wrong with SomeSOB that a hundred dollar lap dance and a bottle of Jack couldn't fix for a night.

G.
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damn a hundred dollar lap dance??? shit...remind me not to go to the titty bars in chicago.....damn.
 
no way r.e.v.e.r.b fixes everything man. you have nothing on it man. its all the damn eqs fault.

danny
 
besides, why would he have a EQ saleman over when he downloads them off the internet. or maybe thats why he downloads them from the internet...

danny
 
FALKEN said:
damn a hundred dollar lap dance??? shit...remind me not to go to the titty bars in chicago.....damn.
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Well, around these parts a "$100 lap dance" takes place in two different rooms (wink wink nudge nudge ;) )

G.
 
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