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I have a overdrive pedal and a chorus pedal that I really like. I want to get some kind of small floor effects box that will fit in my pedal board case and sit along side my chorus and overdrive. I need this unit for delay, reverb, and a tuner, so I need a unit like the RP100, Alesis 505II, new Behringer pedal v-amp, or something else. I won't be using the amp sims or distortions on this box, only the delay/reverb/tuner, and I will store a few different reverb/delay settings.

Any suggestions on what I might get? Here are some questions.

Can you set the 505II, or digitech RP pedals to not have amp models on? I do not want to use amp models, since I have my own distortion/overdrive. I used to own am RP100, but damn if I can remember whether you can set it to only use the effects or not. Never owned an alesisi pedal. What about the new Nehringer pedal, can you turn the amp sims off on it, and only use effects?

I don't want to use individual reverb and delay pedals, cause I wantr to have presets that I can scroll to, and still have the tuner all in the same box, yet one that stays attached to my pedal board with velcro.

Any help would be appreciated.

Jeff
 
Hey, Jeff.

I've got an RP50 and you can indeed turn the amp sim off. Also, the tuner is kickin'. The LEDs are in a nice arc, easy to read. They could sell it for $60 if all it had was the tuner!

Hope this helps.
 
Why pay for some box that has distortion and stuff if you're not going to even use it? I have never been a fan of multi-boxes anyway. You always end up with a few of the effects that are good, a few that suck, and some you never use. IMO you're much better off buying seperate pedals. That way you like every effect, and if you end up not using it you can sell it and still keep the stuff you like.
So... having said all that, I would get a Boss TU2 Tuner and a reverb/delay pedal. I'm pretty sure that Boss makes a pedal that does both. I know for a fact that they once did, and I'm sure you could find it on Ebay, if nowhere else. Better yet, get a delay pedal and a reverb pedal.

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I own the RPx400, basically a bigger brother of the RP50, and I would recommend against it for most effects modeling, most of it's effects sound REALLY digital and just blah to me. However, if you're just gonna use it for delay and stuff, that'll work, and it'll be nice for you to be able to scrool through presets rather than having to tinker with settings on 2 separate pedals all the time. Plus you get a nice tuner to go along with it, and the RP50 is cheap enough to where you're probably actually better off with it rather than 2 separate pedals.
 
FWIW, if I was looking for a tuner to sit on the floor, I'd buy the RP50 just for that.

Edit: Oops, I kinda said that before.
 
rp 50 .....

rythym guy in my band has one ,i don't know if it's the unit or him but he has the most horrid tone from it we have to get on him all the time for trying this or that with it ...it's fun for goofin off with, but i can't wait til it goes on th fritz or something ....my choice for tuner is the intellitouch, clips on the head and i never have worries also doesn't pose a line problem i.e. another cable in the chain ...my suggstion is get a reverb delay pedal like a boss i know they have a combo pedal my boss delay has like 10 settings i know your not going to be switching delays that much and then get a tuner intellitouch goes for around 49$s or the sabine they remove and stick on a guitar without residue ...my 2 cents :)
 
lesterpaul said:
rythym guy in my band has one ,i don't know if it's the unit or him but he has the most horrid tone from it we have to get on him all the time for trying this or that with it ...it's fun for goofin off with, but i can't wait til it goes on th fritz or something ....my choice for tuner is the intellitouch, clips on the head and i never have worries also doesn't pose a line problem i.e. another cable in the chain ...my suggstion is get a reverb delay pedal like a boss i know they have a combo pedal my boss delay has like 10 settings i know your not going to be switching delays that much and then get a tuner intellitouch goes for around 49$s or the sabine they remove and stick on a guitar without residue ...my 2 cents
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It's him, not the unit. Your rhythm guitar player probably wouldn't know good tone if Jeff Beck handed him his entire rig. ;)

I have a RP-200 and after hearing a lot of good and bad reviews of the Digitech RP series I finally figured out that you just have to take the time to properly set the parameters to get great tones from it.

One of the biggest mistakes people make with this unit is making adjustments while listening through headphones, and then plugging it into their amp and expecting the *exact* same sound.... BIG MISTAKE!

I did the very thing I just mentioned and it sounded crappy.

You have to take the time to make the adjustments while playing the unit through your amp at "near club level." That is the secret to getting the best possible tone out of it. Once you do this, you'll realize just how good the RP series shines for a reasonable price.

I also own the Intellitouch tuner you mentioned.

It works great if the rest of the band is being somewhat quiet. But if your bassist and other guitar player are playing or tuning up, you can forget about getting a good signal to properly tune your axe... it ain't happening!

The Intellitouch tuner also will not let you tune your low E string openly. You have to tune it harmonically at the 12th fret. Needless to say, that also means it won't register if you openly tune your low E down to a D or lower... again, you have to do it harmonically at the 12th fret, which sucks when other guys in your band are busy warming up or tuning themselves.

The Intellitouch works great with an acoustic guitar and it's the one I take with me when I'm playing out at an "acoustic - open jam" or at a club where I'm doing a solo acoustic gig.

But for electric guitar, I tune directly from my RP-200 or my Korg tuner. That way, I don't have to worry about my fellow musicians screwing up my tuning. :)
 
okay maybe its not th most horrid tone, but in our band i think its overkill and he looks to use every dime he put into it ,if you get my drift ...i think for what we do he coulda got by with a couple stand alone pedals ....
as far as the intellitouch i havent had the problems you describe we do one song in drop d and we also tune a half step down ,now some times it kinda loses reference but i kinda mute all the strings and the body and it gets back on track .....peace be unto you my all in one pedal lovers, didn't mean to rattle your cage ....LOL
 
This would still not give me the flexible setup that I want. If I use a delay and reverb seperate pedal, then if I ever want a different delay, like when doing a Floyd song, I will constantly have to be bending over and fiddling with knobs between songs. This is unaceptable. I have different songs that require different reverbs and delays. With a multi pedal, I can save presets and simply turn my overdrive on, and then click through my delay reverb patches. I could get a rack mount efffects and simply add a TU-2 to my pedal board, but then I would have to turn and change effects on the rack, and on the floor. I am a one man band, so I already have a laptop to be concerned with.

Considering all this, I wish some company would make a product like this. Please Digiteck, or Boss. someone. Make a guitar pedal that will mount in your pedal board, that runs on the pedal board power supply, and that is a simple effects box with reverb and delay, maybe chorus and flange. NO AMP models, cause I want to use my own dam overdrive/distortion. I would be thrilled with even ten user presets that I can setup for myself, and click through my various reverb and delay programs, and it should have a built in tuner. The RP50 sounds very interesting, the only problem being that it cannot use the normal 9 volt DC power that my other pedaLS USE. If I can turn off the amp sims, and it will function as a simple delay/reverb pedal with a tuner, while offering me presets, then I would be very happy indeed. I have heard that the 505II does use 9 volt DC, and also has a tuner and presets, but will it have the ability to turn off amp sims and simply be able to be used as a reverb/delay effects, that's the question. Why in hell can'r they make a product like I need here. It seems that so many guitarist could use a device that would be powered from their pedal board, but that would give them presets of reverb/delay and a tuner. This would be so perfect. Well, one can dream.

Jeff




Aaron Cheney said:
Why pay for some box that has distortion and stuff if you're not going to even use it? I have never been a fan of multi-boxes anyway. You always end up with a few of the effects that are good, a few that suck, and some you never use. IMO you're much better off buying seperate pedals. That way you like every effect, and if you end up not using it you can sell it and still keep the stuff you like.
So... having said all that, I would get a Boss TU2 Tuner and a reverb/delay pedal. I'm pretty sure that Boss makes a pedal that does both. I know for a fact that they once did, and I'm sure you could find it on Ebay, if nowhere else. Better yet, get a delay pedal and a reverb pedal.

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Hi, Jeff.

The RP50 runs on 6 AA batteries which seem to last a long time. Hey, that's 9V! Let's look at the plug. (See attached)
 

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Considering all this, I wish some company would make a product like this. Please Digi

I totally agree with you on this. I have the RP300 and it was a fun toy especially with headphones. As someone affirmed earlier, you cant get the same sound by simply pluggin in. While I have spent a great deal of time cataloging sounds from the pedal directly to my amp, I get a definite bright digital sound, especially since my amp is solid state. I hear the RP400 allows home recorders to get the headphone sounds directly to the PC through USB. At any rate, I found my personal tone through other distortion, compressor, and overdrive pedals, but need a MFX pedal sans amp modelling and/or speaker simulation. Start the petition, and I will sign. Line 6 has a pretty good reverb pedal with 3 presets and a tap-tempo switch, but that still doesn't solve the reverb problem. Good Luck on your search, and post your results if you succeed!
 
multi effect pedals SUCK! end of story. you may THINK it sounds good from your little practice amp in your room but, until you've recorded with them you wont really know how much they suck the life out of your tone that could be going straight into your amp. so, if you want a tuner....buy a tuner. if you want chorus....by a good chorus pedal....if you want delay....buy a good delay pedal. and when i say good, NOT DIGITECH! thank you and bye bye
 
I haven't tried the Line 6 pedals but their delay modeller may work well for you. It doesn't have amp sims and I believe you can program some presets so it is all ready on the right tempo for the song.

If you did go with a rack unit you could hook up to the laptap via midi and send it patch info that way.
 
Hi. I didi indeed buy the rp-50, and used it lastnight live. I was very impressed, and the reverb and delay were fine. I was able to turn the amp sims off if I wanted, but now I have an even bigger question. How do I turn cabinet modelling off? The manual says to hold down the drum key and power the unit up until it says cabinet moddeling on. I did this, but it does not say how to turn it off. Is it off by default everytime you power up, and then only if you want it on would you hold the drum key? I'm not sure.

Jeff



apl said:
Hey, Jeff.

I've got an RP50 and you can indeed turn the amp sim off. Also, the tuner is kickin'. The LEDs are in a nice arc, easy to read. They could sell it for $60 if all it had was the tuner!

Hope this helps.
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Hey, Jeff.

Glad you liked the RP50.

The cab voicing is off by default. It is not on unless you turn it on when you power up. Also, if there is no amp sim selected, cabinet voicing is not active. So as long as you don't turn it on when you power up, it won't be on.

Is that tuner easy to see or what?
 
Wow, I loved the tuner, and that baby also powered up fine with my pedal board power supply. I even had my vibe pedal and overdrive hooked up before it, and everything worked like a charm. The unit is lite, so it will stay secure using velcro to keep it on the pedal board. It is mounted and hooked up permanently in my pedal board. This thing is a god send. I have another gig tonight. I may get it out and program some stuff using the amp sims, and see if I like them. If so, I could even get rid of my Boss os-2 overdrive distortion pedal. I am very excited about the RP-50.


Jeff

apl said:
Hey, Jeff.

Glad you liked the RP50.

The cab voicing is off by default. It is not on unless you turn it on when you power up. Also, if there is no amp sim selected, cabinet voicing is not active. So as long as you don't turn it on when you power up, it won't be on.

Is that tuner easy to see or what?
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Plan to set aside a good chunk of time to diddle with the settings. I didn't see what style you were looking for. The boutique or rectifier amp sims with some compression and delay sound HUGE. The clean tube cranked up is good, too. I started out by making patches with nothing on except each amp model cranked all the way up. Then I kept scrolling through them to get a feel for each one. I ran it through my stereo because I'm using it direct to the PA when I play live. Anyway, it does take a lot of time and effort to figure out what you'll like.
 
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