"Dry" - New Recording

[skids]

Once again, very polished. Great sounds all around!!! Makes me want to you see you play live. Of course you would have to round up about four more of you which is not gonna happen!

This will fit nicely on your album.

 

[wfaraoni]

wfaraoni- Dude those were some very kind words. Thanks a lot. Tull was a great band IMO. They still tour actually, but i've never seen them.



If you mean "Why Are You Still Here" with Jeff Marcomb it's at his site.

If you mean "Work A Little Harder" with Mark Buster it's at his site.

i should listen to those again...it's been a long time. Thanks man. [/B]

Thanks for the link its appreciated
Bill

 

[dobro]

Okay, I've listened to Dry and I've listened to Blanket, and the vocal on Dry works better for me chiefly because I can make out the words more easily. I'd like the vocal track on Dry to be louder as well when everything gets loud, but overall it works better.

My question is this: why is that? What did you do in the Dry mix that you didn't do in the Blanket mix? If you're anything like me, you can't answer this question. LOL You do it one mix at a time, right? But if you start comparing mixes like I've just done...

They're both ace songs. Eight more like them, and you've got a five star album. Simple.

 

[SLuiCe]

Hey Dobro... I just sent you a PM before I actually read this.

I haven't actually gone through the process of comparing mixes yet. The main reason I have the vocals up more in "Dry" is because during the tracking there were very subtle nuances I was trying to project within close proximity of the mic. Details I didn't want lost in the mix, or in the hypnosis of the guitars. The chorus is obviously a different approach, and when I sit down with it again maybe the vocal will come up there.

With the "Blanket" vocal I wasn't as interested in vocal detail as I was with capturing that pulse, which if you follow the lyrics, is the pressure of time. I used to sing "Blanket" with like a Tom Waits growl. Then I heard the live recording and all but shot myself in the face. Since I've started recording I've moved my voice into more natural places. I still tend to vary my tone to suit each song character, but it needs to feel natural or I don't bother.

I'm trying to answer the question. I kinda mix as I go when I'm recording. It helps me keep track of the original vision. So within a few seconds after I record a take, I kinda already know how it's going to sit. It's difficult to get what I would consider an ideal mix without waiting at least a couple weeks for the psycho acoustics to wear off. That's the trouble with wearing all the hats.

Now I really understand your PM about music language. I suck.

 

[dobro]

Dunno bout that, but your music doesn't suck, that's for sure. The rest is just talk.

 

[M.Brane]

90-100db

According to my speakers your pretty good bass-wise. I think you may be a tad hot on the low bass as my JBL's (8") made my shirt vibrate a bit, and my Altecs (12") made the whole structure (my house was built in '32) vibrate. I've only measured the Altecs down to about 35hz, and they get real iffy down there so take that with a grain of salt.

Everything sounds great except for the electric guitar, and it doesn't sound bad. The playing is great, but the tone is rubbing me the wrong way. Maybe a phase issue as I see now from reading the posts that you recorded a nice guitar through a real amp multi-miked. At first I thought it kinda sounded like some kind of amp modeler. To me it's a bit harsh, and lacks body.

Overall though it sounds better than a lot of commercial releases I've heard.

 

[SLuiCe]

ooo, thanks for that M. Brane. That's helpful stuff, especially the low end readings!

I'll have to check the heavier guitars again...it could be a problem with the organ that's playing along with them that's creating the "harshness," or maybe I've got that 1-3 K area hyped. I'll take a look later. I don't think it's phase issues since the heavy rhythms were single miked with a SM57 and panned 140 miles apart from each other. I suspect I boosted some bad frequencies early in the mixing process and got numb to them. I do that all too often it seems.

Thanks again!

 

[JadionMusic]

Good quality, maybe replace that reverb with a little 600ms delay VERY light. Otherwise... reminded me of a Queensryche song.. but good

 

[dumass]

hey sluice...what type of equipment did u use for ur drums???

great song by the way

 

[dobro]

M Brane: "According to my speakers your pretty good bass-wise. I think you may be a tad hot on the low bass as my JBL's (8") made my shirt vibrate a bit, and my Altecs (12") made the whole structure (my house was built in '32) vibrate. I've only measured the Altecs down to about 35hz, and they get real iffy down there so take that with a grain of salt.

Everything sounds great except for the electric guitar, and it doesn't sound bad. The playing is great, but the tone is rubbing me the wrong way. Maybe a phase issue as I see now from reading the posts that you recorded a nice guitar through a real amp multi-miked. At first I thought it kinda sounded like some kind of amp modeler. To me it's a bit harsh, and lacks body.

Overall though it sounds better than a lot of commercial releases I've heard.

Sluice: "ooo thanks for that M. Brane. That's helpful stuff, especially the low end readings!"

Yeah, exactly. I've been trying to join in on what's going on in this forum and take its measure and figure it out. And what I think is that posts like M Brane's are really, really valuable. Oh yeah, of course it's pleasant to get people saying how much they like the song, but you know that already right? If you didn't like the song yourself, you wouldn't have posted it here, right? No, I think what people *really* want when they post something in this forum is MIX IDEAS. Things like EQ and panning and levels and compression and reverb.

Most comments are welcome. Comments about the mix are *really* welcome.

 

[M.Brane]

Thanks dobro!

Originally posted by SLuiCe:
So any comments are welcome, but i'm particularly interested in how the low end works out on other systems, especially at high volumes (if anyone would care to crank it for me ). Let me know if it booms or gets too muddy.

That's what the man asked for, so that's what he got.

This is the "mixing" clinic after all, and knowing how your mixes translate to other systems is key. The shear number of different systems/ears here is an extremely valuable resource. While my system/ears aren't the greatest, I still try to help out if I can.