DavidK
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crosstudio said:
I am using Sonar 3. Hearing distortion is quite easy on a piano patch or violins. Keep in mind that I do not record too hot, it is merely the after-processing that I was referring to.
I am using Sonar 3. Hearing distortion is quite easy on a piano patch or violins. Keep in mind that I do not record too hot, it is merely the after-processing that I was referring to.
crosstudio
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unless you've got an automatic brick-wall limiter at 0 somewhere in the audio chain, even those drum transients will cause the nasty digital crackles.
but cutting off drum transients and distortion are two different things.
i think the clip setting use to be in options-->audio-->advanced but i can't remember which version of Sonar that was.
but cutting off drum transients and distortion are two different things.
i think the clip setting use to be in options-->audio-->advanced but i can't remember which version of Sonar that was.
DavidK
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Sorry, my teminology was incorrect.crosstudio said:
I think of everything above 0 db as distortion, and I guess that is not the accurate term. 
Anyhoo, I went back and used the version that is 100% safe.There is a lot to learn about perceived loudness and actual loudness I reckon. The whole "loudness war" eludes me as a classical musician, we try so hard to have a massive dynamic range. My foray into Rock-ish music makes me want to have everything as loud as possible, much to my vexation at times.
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scorpio01169
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DavidK said:
some rules....not all rules especially in recording
DavidK
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Of course. If I was convinced that something sounded better and/or was musically appropriate, I would simply do it. In this case, it is not better or worse, therefore I will be neat and tidy.scorpio01169 said:
ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
I have clipped my mix at mastering stage in Wavelab and had good results.
I would limit the mix after clipping it though.
Eck
I would limit the mix after clipping it though.
Eck
Farview
Well-known member
You are limiting the mix by clipping it. What does the extra limiter do?ecktronic said:
TerraMortim
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Farview said:
when working with manowar did you listen on monitors made of fire and steel, mix on a board made from the bones of wimps and posers, or use any cables forged with true metal? Also, did at any time, anyone 'leave the hall' by request of the artists or recording staff?
seriously though, manowar rules!
DavidK
New member
John Tesh does that stuff.TerraMortim said:
ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
Im not limiting by clipping.Farview said:
Clipping brings up the volume but too much will cause distortion.
Limiting after clipping stops the signal going past 0dB.
If you dont limit then some sound systems could get damaged or exagerate the stuff above 0dB.
Eck
DavidK
New member
Really???ecktronic said:
I have to learn a lot more about this, my knowledge is really not up to where it should be.
Farview
Well-known member
Yes, you are.ecktronic said:
The signal can't go past 0dbfs. It does in wavelab at 32 bit float. But as soon as you dither down to a non-floating bit depth, everything above 0dbfs disappears. This happens at the converters and when you render the file to 24 or 16 bit.ecktronic said:
Like I said before, there is no way to play a digital signal above 0dbfs on any system anywhere.ecktronic said:
Farview
Well-known member
No, this isn't the way it works.DavidK said:Really???
I have to learn a lot more about this, my knowledge is really not up to where it should be.
NL5
Unpossible!
ecktronic said:
Gotta agree with Farview here. You really have a lot of stuff wrong.
A brick wall limiter will pretty much just flat line everything that goes above it's "brick wall" limit. Usually, you would have a comprerssor in front of it to get 99.9 % or better of the signal from going thru to the brick wall - the L2 has both. When a signal trys to go above 0, it just flatlines at zero - this is clipping, and is pretty much the same as a brick wall limiter. It cannot go above zero (except in a 32 bit float enviroment - sorda)
TerraMortim
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come on fairview...tell me? did they play on ten, did speakers explode? did they ride their metal steeds of steel into the control room? I must know!
ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
I stand corrected.
When I rendered to 16bit the peaks went away.
Eck
When I rendered to 16bit the peaks went away.
Eck
Farview
Well-known member
A speaker in the bass cabinet started on fire. They drove rented cars. It was winter in chicago.TerraMortim said:come on fairview...tell me? did they play on ten, did speakers explode? did they ride their metal steeds of steel into the control room? I must know!
TerraMortim
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sweet. So they drove thier horseless carriges of fire and steel. hehehehe what album were you working on?
Farview
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Hell on wheels. No, they were no re-recording tracks on a live album. The bass cabinet blew up on the tour. The tour is where the metal steeds of steel and the leather, fire, blackwind, etc... comes in to play.TerraMortim said:
Right now I'm producing their former guitarist's (David Shankle) new album.
BTW. It's Farview, not fairview. A true brother of metal would know that.
TerraMortim
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Farview said:
hehehe I know just playing with you. I do like Manowar tho. Cool, hows the album coming along? what type of music is it?
