Drum miking!

[skaman]

I have one small problem! I am getting little too much kick into my owerheads. Does anybody have any sugguestion how to lower the kick loudenss in ohs??? I place ohs mics abouth 2 m (6 feet) high and abouth 1 m(3 feet) away from kit on both sides! i highpass the ohs at abouth 350 Hz and i cut 100 Hz for abouth 10 dB more to get satifactory results with kick but the cymbals are little too thin now.

am i making something totally whong or what???

i have beyerdynamic mce 530 stereo pair for oh and two sennheisers md 425.
by the way i work in cubase!

any reply is welcome!

thanks for your cooperation guys and girls!

 

[chris-from-ky]

I would put the overheads closer to the cymbals of the kit and make the drummer not "kick" as hard while playing. See if that helps you out at all.

 

[fenix]

i don't understand how people get too much kick in the overheads.

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

i don't understand how people get too much kick in the overheads.

Me neither....... unless the room has a mode that just happens to put a lo-freq boost at the position of the drum kit......

 

[Farview]

You need to put hte overheads, well... over head. If you put them too far away from the kit, they start acting like room mics. Put the mics above the kit.

You must have something completly out of whack if the kick sound in the overheads is overpowering the kick mic in the mix.

You might also try tuning the kick lower.

 

[Cloneboy Studio]

High pass filter on the overheads at around 80hz. The overheads don't have to be only cymbals--it should have all of the kit in it. However, you said 'too much' so I assume you know this.

 

[LRosario]

i don't understand how people get too much kick in the overheads.

My thoughts exactly....



Either a) must be some bad mics or b) the positioning or level on the mixer is off

 

[manning1]

if you continue having problems. replace the kik drum with a trigger peddle triggering a sampler where you can choose from different kik sounds. ive
also used an alesis drum brain for this with trigger inputs.
just an idea to consider. actually a lot of records have been done like this.
you can also put small piezo triggers on the snare and toms triggering samples as well.

 

[skaman]

I think the farview made the point. I placed mics little too far away from kit, (but eksacly like i saw it in some articles), so they started to act like room mics. Kick in owerheads was little late, so I got very undefined sond of a kick. When i put the mics closer this issue is almost solved, but i must highpass ohs at about 150 - 200 Hz, to get great definition of kick, what is, I think acceptable!

Thanks for your help!

 

[Farview]

Some guys take the overhead tracks in the daw and line them up with the close mics (usually the snare) to take care of the timing differences. Depending on the song, you can use that timing difference with a little (a lot) compression and get a huge sound.