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tylerxxx
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i think i have an idea why, but im not sure... so will someone tell me why you record certain stuff more than once, and what instruments you generally do it on?
bennychico11
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it all depends on the sound you're going for.
doubling vocals can get you a sort of chorus sounding effect. doubling guitars can make them sound thicker and more prominent. I'd say guitars and vocals are the two biggest instruments that are doubled.
doubling vocals can get you a sort of chorus sounding effect. doubling guitars can make them sound thicker and more prominent. I'd say guitars and vocals are the two biggest instruments that are doubled.
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StarvingEyes
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yes, 'dubbing' tracks can be used for thickening or chorus effect. i usually have the rhythm guitarist double his track, and pan them. And depending on what needs it, i'll doubling chorus vox as well.
Markaholic
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well since its been brought up.....now...other than certain different sounds here and there....why couldnt ya just duplicate the track...then pan?
grn
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won't make it thicker, will just separate it stereo... it'll just make it louder. the point of doubling is so that it sounds thicker, fatter, because you can't play or sing something exactly the same ever. the differences are what make it sound better.
Dogman
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Markaholic said:
If you mean to cut and paste a second track on the opposite side, this will just make it louder. You would need to add delay, chorus, or something to make the track different. Some people will just put the second track a few ms behind the original, and this can thicken the sound up, but best results come from doing a second take.
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Farview
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A track that is panned center = Same thing coming out of both speakers equally.Markaholic said:
Two exact copies of a track that are panned hard = same thing is coming out of both speakers equally.
You will acomplish nothing but double your hard drive space used as well as doubling the resources required to play the track. If you delay it, you will wind up with phase problems in mono. Is it really that hard to play it again?
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StarvingEyes
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true that ! doubling anything and layering it will only cause phasing unless pitch shifted(vox) or a very tiny delay ! just do it over.
then pan
then pan
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tylerxxx
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well then, here's my question...
for now, all i have to record on is a yamaha aw16g. if i only have 16 tracks, how would i have enough space to record multiple guitar takes, and have enough space for all the drum mics, bass, and vocals/back up vocals?
any tricks that i'm unaware of, or too stupid to see?
for now, all i have to record on is a yamaha aw16g. if i only have 16 tracks, how would i have enough space to record multiple guitar takes, and have enough space for all the drum mics, bass, and vocals/back up vocals?
any tricks that i'm unaware of, or too stupid to see?
Markaholic
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Farview said:
No need to get anal bro! I was just curious to see what the diffrences between the two methods were!
grn
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tyler can't you just double it and bounce it to one track?
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tylerxxx
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well yeah, but i figured that would be wrong or something, because if the levels were different or something, i dont know what im thinking, nevermind.
Farview
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If you do that, it won't be stereo any more. If you have virtrual tracks, record the drums, bounce them down to 2 tracks. Send the original tracks to the background and record more. I have guys bring in 16 track machines with 40 tracks recorded per song.grn said:
Farview
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The other 143 times this was asked, it turned into an argument. I jumped to the end of the argument too soon.Markaholic said:
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Bob Keelan
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I use an AW16G too. Learn to use the paired tracks for sub-mixes. You can save the original tracks by switching to a different virtual track.
ace516
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well.. you CAN just double it .. without recording it again, but only if recording through an easy sampler where you can easily just move the guitar track by a few milliseconds therefore creating a slight delay sound .. 
Farview
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Like I said before, this will cause phase problems in mono.ace516 said:well.. you CAN just double it .. without recording it again, but only if recording through an easy sampler where you can easily just move the guitar track by a few milliseconds therefore creating a slight delay sound ..
peopleperson
I'm so sorry.
I second the notion of being really careful when doubling and delaying same tracks. I used to be addicted to that and getting away from it cleaned up my mixes alot. I did it on two guitar tracks, and panned the opposite side of each guitar hard the other direction, and pulled it down in the mix. Also, if you hard pan your overheads, and you go in real tight, and pull one of the slightly behind the original, it can sound really amazing......Until you bring the rest of your tracks back into the mix. It can easily lead you to massive phase shittiness. They're all right, doing the track two times, and the subtle differences in the playing, works very well.
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tylerxxx
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ok now say i record the track 2 times, do i mix them to one track? or do i keep them seperate and pan them differently?
thanks for all the replies, you guys
thanks for all the replies, you guys
Farview
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You keep them separate and pan them. That is how you make stereo.
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