Don't like programmed drums?...

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....then check out this! I found this on the ToonTrack website (makers of DFHS) and thought it was awesome and might make someone think twice on their reservations about sampled drums. I also have the midi track for this so I know it is actually DFHS.... :D, although I haven't quite achieved the polished sound that this has with my own mixing yet, it's taught me alot about programming....

drumkit from hell

...again, I didn't program this. So credit goes to the guy at the ToonTrack website.
 
I've been a fan of their products for a while. They really do make some good sounding drum samples. I have the DFH2, not the DFHS, but it still sounds great IMO.
 
Dude, those were pretty nice....I use sampled drums most of the time, and have been looking into something like this. WAV files, and you just build them yourself?
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It is a 35 gig library of samples that you program with MIDI in your sampler of choice. I use Sonar. You can treat it as a virtual instrument, and you can also bounce it to audio files after programming. At that point you end up with 14 audio tracks, one for each microphone, which can then be mixed and processed just as a real drum recording would. It is truly awesome for those like me who demand a great drum track but aren't very good drummers and don't have one to depend on.
 
Sounds good. Does actually sound like someone playing the drums, although a very good drummer with his kick foot(s)!!
I understand people using samples for drums. At first i thought it was cheating and a bad thing to do. Well it is bad to do if you cant get the samples sounding like a drummer playing the kit. Kinda like using a MIDI keyboard to try and simulate guitars!!

Wait. I know how this was done. It actually WAS a drummer playing a kit, but it was an electric MIDI kit with real drum samples. Thats why it sounds so real. Couldnt really see anyone programming that in unless they had plenty of time on their hands.
 
I would hope this is someone playing with triggers, otherwise whoever programmed this must of been payed a damn good amount to sit there for 5 days and programmed some drums. The one thing i really like about them is that they sound very 'airy.' It makes it sound much more real.
 
This was programmed manually, that was amazing thing about this. This was originally posted on the Toontrack website on a topic concerning programming realistically.
Looking at the midi track, it's really not that complicated - if you have a pretty good handle on how drummers play.
 
metalhead28 said:
This was programmed manually, that was amazing thing about this. This was originally posted on the Toontrack website on a topic concerning programming realistically.
Looking at the midi track, it's really not that complicated - if you have a pretty good handle on how drummers play.
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Woahh. Seriously! :eek: but why bother programming in manually when you can use a MIDI kit and then quantize or even better humanize (kinda oposite of quantize, you could quantize first and then humanize to get more realistic timing).

Yeah i agree that the amount of air in the recording makes it sound more real. How was that done, because its not like you have OHs in sinlge sample drum hits!?
 
In DFHS you have a seperate mic for each drum, stereo overheads, and stereo distant room mics. Each microphone also picks up bleed from the other instruments. So basically, once you program the MIDI, you play it through the DFHS sampler and it bounces it to audio tracks which represent individual mics, and you bring those back into your sequencer. What you end up with are 14 audio tracks of raw drums, complete with bleed through (which is fully customizable) and from that point you treat it just like a real drum recording. It does sound amazing and totally realistic. This thing has 85,000 sound files to sample from!
 
Cool cheers. Sounds real good. Prob worth the money also.
 
I have all the respect in the world for people who can program realistic sounding drums!

This is a friends band (this is like their 3rd CD they have put out on their own)
they had a local kid do the sequencing for it.......said it took like 8 hours / song. They recorded the drums on a 2 track tape recorder in the garage then the kid listened to the tape and replaced each hit with a sample!
here is one track from the cd....(this was before it was mastered)

listen

pretty sad because the drummer is actually pretty good.........

The name of the band is 40 oz
the are out of Geneva, New York.
 
The drums sound really aggressive as do the guitars. good stuff.
 
Woahh. Seriously! but why bother programming in manually when you can use a MIDI kit and then quantize or even better humanize (kinda oposite of quantize, you could quantize first and then humanize to get more realistic timing).
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Im not sure about the situation now but Meshuggah's drummer was pretty involved with the first DKFH. If you have ever heard Meshuggah you would know that the guy is no slouch on drums. Oddly enough though, he prefers to manually program drum tracks.
I read something but im not sure if it was reliable or not but supposbely the last Meshuggah album was done entirely with programming. I guess it just all depends on what floats your boat. At any rate though, he is living proof that realistic drum tracks can be achieved by programming.
 
evhwanabe said:
I have all the respect in the world for people who can program realistic sounding drums!

This is a friends band (this is like their 3rd CD they have put out on their own)
they had a local kid do the sequencing for it.......said it took like 8 hours / song. They recorded the drums on a 2 track tape recorder in the garage then the kid listened to the tape and replaced each hit with a sample!
here is one track from the cd....(this was before it was mastered)

listen

pretty sad because the drummer is actually pretty good.........

The name of the band is 40 oz
the are out of Geneva, New York.
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Drums sound great, where'd they do the rest of the recordings if the drums were done in a garage, I'm guessing since it was a garage and a 2 track that the tape recording was nothing more than a scratch track?
 
Goldcan said:
Drums sound great, where'd they do the rest of the recordings if the drums were done in a garage, I'm guessing since it was a garage and a 2 track that the tape recording was nothing more than a scratch track?
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Yup,the garage 2-track recording was just something for the sequencer to base his drum tracks off of.

The rest of the cd was done in this same kids bedroom lol
everything was recorded direct thru a v-amp...........
dont know anything other than that..........
I wish I knew the kids name so I could get him here so he could get more into the details, because the rest of the cd is really good for a bedroom recording.
 
ecktronic said:
Woahh that is a great idea. :D Is this a new company?
I went to: http://www.groovemonkee.com/home.php?c=detail&id=8 to have alook at DFHS (drum kit from hell super?) and i saw it was only $39.95. Is this the same thing you are talking about?

What would i need in my set up to get this working?
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I think that is just a collection of midi grooves made to use with DFHS.
 
Ahh right. I understand. Thats why its soo cheap becuase you dont actually get drum samples. Good idea for a company i suppose, but I wouldnt pay money for MIDI sequences.
I actually quite miss MIDI now come to think about it. I produced an album done fully on MIDI a year or so back. sounds pretty good.
 
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