Do you really buy that expensive recording software?

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Do you buy that expensive recording software, or just download it?(Read authors post)

  • I buy it. I like to support the creator.

    Votes: 564 41.2%

  • I download it. To hell with the creator.

    Votes: 305 22.3%

  • I do both. I have mixed feelings on the subject.

    Votes: 501 36.6%
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Toker41 said:
I don't see where anybody ever said stealing isn't wrong.
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It may have been blown slightly out of proportion by the fact that pacman was actually advocating stealing, and if I recall, saying that anyone who didn't, isn't dedicated enough.

But then, he's an idiot...
 
All right Morningstar everything you say is right, it's all like insight coming straight from the mouth of (christ, vishnu, zeus, ect...) thanks for saving my god damn soul.

I'm done arguing with someone with severe selective reading and possible head trauma.

Have fun with this thread folks. I gotta go pirate a sandwich from my refrigerator.

Peace
 
oroboros said:
Have fun with this thread folks. I gotta go pirate a sandwich from my refrigerator.
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:D If you read any of it, you should have been able to figure out what was gonna happen as soon as you posted your viewpoint.
 
"So id company X charges more for a similar product than company Y, they are stealing? That stupid comment makes me discount EVERYTHING you say as BS...."

To the one that left me the above neg feedback...
....grow a set, and sign it next time coward.
Did your parents raise any men?
 
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NYMorningstar said:
I don't recall calling you an idiot but if the shoe fits, and it looks like you think it does, wear it. Now put this dunce hat on and back in the corner. Oh, and the reason I'm responding on this thread is to try and save your soul.

A photograph is not intellectual property until it's creator decides so and I'll ask again, how intelligent is that?

I see you're coming around though and seeing things through the eyes of a victim, like here you claimed National Geopgraphic. Now if I weren't going to buy the picture anyway, how could they sue me? Even if they prove their case they have no damages right? WRONG!

The injured party has the right to be made whole and that includes being compensated for the fair market value of the property that was stolen, pirated, whatever.



I have never miss quoted you, try again.
Now, that is miss quoting you. Oh, and by the way I don't respond to idiots and I didn't neg rep you but it fits right in that you care. Oh, and by the way, you never responded to whether you're a troll or a coward, which is it?
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Is saving a soul anything like saving up for that new plasma TV?
 
oh yeah and it is actually intillectual property regardless of whether the creater wants to enforce it or not. If I take a huge shit and then smear it all over my ceiling in something that represents the ceiling of the cistine chapel, it's my intillectual property, even if I don't persue that.
 
but the question is, since we're exact copies of god, are we the result of copyright infringement????!?!?!! AHHH!!!! NOO!!! WE MUST ALL DIIIEE!
 
"This message is hidden because TerraMortim is on your ignore list."
"This message is hidden because TerraMortim is on your ignore list."

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steve.h said:
"This message is hidden because TerraMortim is on your ignore list."
"This message is hidden because TerraMortim is on your ignore list."

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Will you shut up allready? Quit flooding us with your crap.
 
TerraMortim said:
Will you shut up allready? Quit flooding us with your crap.
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Haven't you been paying attention? The whole thread is crap. :rolleyes:

Bait from the get go.
 
Toker41 said:
Haven't you been paying attention? The whole thread is crap. :rolleyes:

Bait from the get go.
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why do you think I'm just leaving silly messages all over it?
 
there has been some good posts, I don't think this thread is a waste at all.


regarding copyright laws, they are outdated and have been misconstrued by the 4 major labels who influence the courts so that they can charge anyone thousands for sampling even a half second clip of sound from one of their copyrighted "sound recordings"...it's blasphemy to the art and religion of sampling...the current ignorant application of copyright laws essentially discontinued the most vibrant artform or our time.


I wrote a 15 page paper on the outdated copyright laws and how the major labels have twisted them in their favor with payoffs and whatnot...it was an outstanding paper, a technical gem which highlighted segments of the outdated laws that actually could be applied to samplists in terms of "fair use" law, but never have been because the major labels are too powerful, corrupt and devious in how they go after people who sample.



KILL THEM ALL
 
pacman9000 said:
I wrote a 15 page paper on the outdated copyright laws and how the major labels have twisted them in their favor with payoffs and whatnot...it was an outstanding paper, a technical gem which highlighted segments of the outdated laws that actually could be applied to samplists in terms of "fair use" law, but never have been because the major labels are too powerful, corrupt and devious in how they go after people who sample.
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Do you have an electronic version of this? I would be interested to read it.

I'm not taking the piss by the way. You and I may not see eye to eye, but I do agree with how major labels use their money and power to turn anything in their favour, often screwing the little man.

See not only do they use their power to screw over anyone who breaches their copyright, but they also use it to get away with stealing other people's copyrighted intellectual property if they see fit.

However...we aren't disputing the viability of copyright here are we? I mean, just to clarify. If I release an album, and someone wants to sample it and make money from it without my permission, or if someone wants to rerecord my work without my permission, again to make money. What's your stance on that? I know this is going off on a tangent from the software pircy thing, but hell that subjects been rinsed already anyway.
 
Well, it is another form of pirating, or stealing intellectual property, isn't it? Forgetting for a moment that the major labels really are evil, the concept is simply that copyrighted material is IP that someone or some publisher or label owns. How do you differentiate samplers as "art and religion", and not subject to the protections afforded to the copyright owner by other means of infringement?
 
Robert D said:
Well, it is another form of pirating, or stealing intellectual property, isn't it? Forgetting for a moment that the major labels really are evil, the concept is simply that copyrighted material is IP that someone or some publisher or label owns. How do you differentiate samplers as "art and religion", and not subject to the protections afforded to the copyright owner by other means of infringement?
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Well yeah I would agree. If someone busts a gut to create something, why the hell should someone else be able to come along and rip it off without permission and take the credit for it? I just want to know what Pacman's stance is TBH. He has some...interesting....views. :p :D

I know there are those who beleive that once you give the public access to something you created, it belongs to them, and they can do what they want with it. I find that to be an odd position to take...
 
legionserial said:
Do you have an electronic version of this? I would be interested to read it.

I'm not taking the piss by the way. You and I may not see eye to eye, but I do agree with how major labels use their money and power to turn anything in their favour, often screwing the little man.

See not only do they use their power to screw over anyone who breaches their copyright, but they also use it to get away with stealing other people's copyrighted intellectual property if they see fit.

However...we aren't disputing the viability of copyright here are we? I mean, just to clarify. If I release an album, and someone wants to sample it and make money from it without my permission, or if someone wants to rerecord my work without my permission, again to make money. What's your stance on that? I know this is going off on a tangent from the software pircy thing, but hell that subjects been rinsed already anyway.
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I have the paper packed away somewhere so that's a no-go atleast for now.

someone CAN re-record your song, legally, it's called a cover...and it is considered fair use as long as you pay the song writer, you don't have to pay the label who owns the "sound recording"...do you know that there is a copyright for the music and then a copyright of the actual recording? this is something the labels cooked up.


but the way the corporations have twisted things, you can't sample clips from say 3 different records and use them to create music that sounds vastly different then the original sampled materials, when all elements are blended together.

for instance, i like to take a breakbeat (and chop it up) from one record, some piano notes from another, and bass notes from another and blend them into my own creation, it's even more then a musical collage because I tweak/slice/filter etc each sample in many cases...but i will be sued if any of the copyright owners find out.


There is a case to be made (maybe I will post my paper sometime) even under the current archaic "fair use" section of the copyright laws, that this type of sampling should (in many cases) fall under fair use, but it never happens this way in court, we all know why.



There should be clearly defined terms of "fair use"...written into law to protect samplists, as copyright owners are already protected...

...but it's depressing to even talk about because nothing will ever be fair when corporations can have their way even when the law is not on their side.

Thing is, two-live crew won a case...and more people might have but weren't and still are not able to challenge the immense power of the major labels...who need to be blown up along with police stations and prosecutors across this kuntry.
 
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