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pacman9000
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Aarrr But I Am A Pirate By Nature!!!1 I Ride The High Seas In Search Of New Software Vessels To Commandeer, AAAARRRRR!!!1
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danny.guitar
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pacman9000 said:
I don't want to dispute that sometimes, people hear what they want to hear.
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Then maybe you have an EQ or something else enabled on either of the players. Otherwise, they are doing absolutely no processing whatsoever on the audio.
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danny.guitar said:
Not always-- I mean unless you know what library is being used to decode/play the audio, you can't really say what is being done to the audio stream before it reaches your audio hardware. Dithering, for example.
Just a thought.
On topic though, this is an interesting poll. A lot of people pirate, and even more buy. I suppose it's possible the pirates use expensive software and the buyers use cheaper alternatives, but you never know what the results actually mean.
The poll should definitely have a 'I use free software only' option. There's quite a few Linux loving recording artists/engineers on here.
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What's considered "expensive" software? A Pro Tools HD system? Waves Mercury? McDSP Emerald? I don't have $7500 to blow on Waves plugins so no, I don't buy something that expensive. Pro Tools LE, Cubase, Sonar, etc are pretty low cost compared with recording hardware so I wouldn't consider them expensive. If you're paying $1000 per channel for a good preamp $250 isn't a lot of money for multi-track recording. Same with Ozone, Battery and some other programs and plug-ins I've picked up. You could buy a new Minimoog for something rediculous like $3500, or get a damn good software copy for $200. I don't buy what I consider the expensive software, but I buy some of the other stuff.
I think it's sort of a sliding scale as well. If you need more expensive hardware to get the results you're looking for you'll also likely need more expensive software, but the software will likely still be a lot less than your hardware component. Similarly, if you're fine with cheaper hardware you'll be fine with cheaper software. Plugins can get very expensive if you let them, but as long as you don't buy more than you need it's not that bad. (If you only need Waves Gold bundle or even NPP, don't spend another $6000 for the Mercury just to get the 16 band L3)
I think it's sort of a sliding scale as well. If you need more expensive hardware to get the results you're looking for you'll also likely need more expensive software, but the software will likely still be a lot less than your hardware component. Similarly, if you're fine with cheaper hardware you'll be fine with cheaper software. Plugins can get very expensive if you let them, but as long as you don't buy more than you need it's not that bad. (If you only need Waves Gold bundle or even NPP, don't spend another $6000 for the Mercury just to get the 16 band L3)
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danny.guitar
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P-J said:
I'm guessing by libraries you mean codecs?
You're right in that respect but I've never heard a difference in codecs, especially since most media players use the same (except for ones that use DirectShow or maybe their own codecs).
The only time I can think a noticeable difference would be heard is if the codec was designed so piss-poorly that it actually effected the audio to an audible degree. I'm not aware of any codecs or audio players that use codecs like that.
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Zed10R
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I don't think the definition of "expensive" is the issue. I think the issue is that many people feel that, for some reason, stealing software is ok. maybe because you can't actually hold the 1's and 0's in your hand..I dunno...but for those folks, $20.00 would be expensive.
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That is interesting. I dropped nearly $200 this weekend on an audio interface. Just two years ago, I would never spend more than $50 on a whim.Zed10R said:
And six years ago, when I was a freshman in college? I was living off of $50 every two weeks. I'd be splurging to go to Burger King, let alone trying to buy audio equipment.
I can't wait until I can drop a grand without batting an eye.
I suppose expensive IS relative, huh? I think people are just mad that they might actually have to pay for software.
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danny.guitar said:
Libraries as in, for example, GPL'd functions that you can throw in your program. I suppose codecs too
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Zed10R said:
I guess it's just because you can get it for free and the chances of being caught are slim to none.
Stealing hardware from a shop, OTOH, is far more likely to get you noticed.
I do have a little copied software here, but with a lack of money perhaps it is time to rid myself of it and try to get by with free or cheap alternatives.
I guess everyone has a different mindset. I can totally understand peoples fury at those who copy/download the software instead of buying it, after all, there are traits in people that make me furious and others couldn't give two shits about.
It's almost as bad as a religious debate, with neither side refusing to budge and arguing gets you nowhere, really.
dkerwood said:
Totally. People live within their means, and the way I view a £1000 piece of software is probably very different from an established producer with many houses and cars. The only way I could justify it (I would have to save) is if I thought that addition to my software library would eventually pay for itself, otherwise it's a very expensive hobby!
Because of my lack of knowledge (I'm still very much in the early part of the learning curve), the thought of laying down £1000 notes for a piece of software then not using it (because I either didn't think it through or it turned out not to be suitable for my direction) fills me with dread. Perhaps I'd be better off without it altogether
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pacman9000
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danny.guitar said:
you're an idiot
and no, eq is flat, once again you have no idea what you're talkin about, you're an idiot.
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danny.guitar
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pacman9000 said:
Read watermelon's post.
Like P-J, I also write software. And someone who knows absolutely nothing about computers in general is calling me an idiot?
k...keep using RealPlayer instead of Winamp because you're an idiot.
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Zed10R
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P-J said:I guess it's just because you can get it for free and the chances of being caught are slim to none.
My point exactly. If everyone did things just because they can, the world would suck ass. Oh wait....they do...and it does. It doesn't take much to just do the right thing.
This is what I imangine the thought process is for someone who uses pirated software:
"Fuck those software guys at Sony. They are already rich. Fuck it. I'm down loading this pirated copy. I wonder why everything is so expensive??" ....
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pacman9000
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"I don't want to dispute that sometimes, people hear what they want to hear." danny the moron
you sir, are a moron, you say you don't want to dispute it, then in the very next breath you ARE disputing it apparently unbeknownst to yourself, LOL.
you're saying there is no difference in the sound but rather that people are just hearing what they want to hear, you silly fuk.
and there is no such thing as a stupid question, so once again you're an idiot for implying that.
you sir, are a moron, you say you don't want to dispute it, then in the very next breath you ARE disputing it apparently unbeknownst to yourself, LOL.
you're saying there is no difference in the sound but rather that people are just hearing what they want to hear, you silly fuk.
and there is no such thing as a stupid question, so once again you're an idiot for implying that.
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pacman9000
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Zed10R said:
what's more immoral, stealing, or corporations who don't supply products at a discount to the economically less-fortunate...let's face it, in this society there's winners and losers. not much middle ground, and there are plenty of more interesting and intelligent losers then there are winners, for a corporation to deny them any product at a cheaper price is worse then the poor man stealing.
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pacman9000
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now college kids who think they are poor because their parents money is paying for their college expenses and therefore they don't get the fat allowance anymore and decide to steal...those spoiled brats should either drop out and use their tuition money to buy their stuff, stfu, or best option yet they should be the victim of physical theft and abuse in the process by yours truly.
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pacman9000
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many on this board are philosophically dead from the neck up, they don't even think for themselves, they just buy the official line of the status quo without giving a second thought.
'stealing is bad, mmmkaaay...'
'stealing is bad, mmmkaaay...'
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pacman9000
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I'm talking about the u.s. where it's cutthroat capitilism and all the advantages are given to those with all the advantages.
it's a bit better in some scandavian countries, norway etc.. and the safety net is better in england as well, if i didn't have to worry about how i'm going to keep a roof over my head I would be much more likely to buy things...if you come in my face with that pull yourself by you bootstraps I'll steal your life, mothafuka, I don't play...that's how I'm livin, fuk you right wing american cowards...even the liberals are right wing the in united states, real talk.
it's a bit better in some scandavian countries, norway etc.. and the safety net is better in england as well, if i didn't have to worry about how i'm going to keep a roof over my head I would be much more likely to buy things...if you come in my face with that pull yourself by you bootstraps I'll steal your life, mothafuka, I don't play...that's how I'm livin, fuk you right wing american cowards...even the liberals are right wing the in united states, real talk.
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