Do you really buy that expensive recording software?

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Do you buy that expensive recording software, or just download it?(Read authors post)

  • I buy it. I like to support the creator.

    Votes: 564 41.2%
  • I download it. To hell with the creator.

    Votes: 305 22.3%
  • I do both. I have mixed feelings on the subject.

    Votes: 501 36.6%

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NYMorningstar said:
This thread will not die until the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone :eek: :rolleyes: :p


what about the lawyers?
 
mrbungle said:
And How many Ipods apple can sell if people don't use stolen music?
Is so curious the same company is faithing against piracy and(indirectly)making money with piracy :confused:
You're trying to think. Please stop. It hurts to watch! :(
 
legionserial said:
If you're worried about the reputation of your anonymous persona on an internet forum, that probably says more than any 'slander'. :)

If you follow the link in my signature you'd see I'm less than anonymous.

Which brings me to another point - if piracy was the root of all evil I'd have been imprisoned for my involvement in this thread by now (for the simple admissions I've made). I definitely see people using this issue as a spring board for belittling others who don't see as they do. Software and mp3 file sharing are probably the least important of social and economic issues. It just makes for good news (13 year olds being sued), and because it's still got some gray areas makes for good discussion on forums. I've probably been a part of 100 threads on this subject, and they are all basically the same. People with money who buy every single piece of media they have get on the soap box and condemn the poor people. And it really is about that. It has nothing to do with righteousness (well, maybe self-righteousness) or the letter of the law. These were the same people who made cassette mixes for family and friends in the 80s and early 90s, who pay an accountant to be 'creative' with their taxes, and who blow by you in their 10mpg gas guzzling BMW SUVs at 110mph on the highway (in a hurry to get to the supermarket to fill that SUV with their 2 bags of groceries).
 
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Pinky said:
People with money who buy every single piece of media they have get on the soap box and condemn the poor people. And it really is about that. .

I disagree. It has very little to do with that. People steal because they can. In most stealing, there is danger of being caught. In stealing music, there is very little risk. If people could steal their mortgage/rent, electricity, heat, telephone service, insurance, and groceries, as easily as they do music, they would. The internet has allowed people to act as they would if they could, and it ain't pretty. The three biggest activities on the internet are spam, viewing pornography, and stealing music/movies.

I know people who make a pretty good living in the computer industries - in fact, one is loaded and young - who steal 'all' their music, because they can.
Likewise with movies. Like most people who do it, they feel pretty good about it. That's how people are, when they can get away with it.
 
I should add, that I work for a guy who is fairly well off. He has an office full of computers, and all the software on it is pirated. Why buy it, when your 'tech guy' says "I'll take care of it?"
 
Well, then he's just an asshole. I always buy my software when I can afford it. Sometimes, though, I just don't have the means, and the reality of the situation is, you have to have the right tools in order to produce the right result, and that can then raise your out of the financial squaler that you are in...which in turn, if you aren't a selfish SOB, you will support the developers of the software and buy what you used. It's a simple case of wether the person is self centered or actually thinks of others.

I pirate at times because I have no choice but to. Given that my production style is of a specialized nature, I don't tend to go for the big money pop jobs and commercial rock records (been offered, but can't stomach that shit). It's essential to be able to create the required piece, and somteimes it does require that $4,000 orchestral library in order to get a professional result that doesn't sound like it came from a casio keyboard recorded into a child's novelty kareoke cassette player/recorder.

The long and the short. If someone is an asshole, they believe the world owes them everything for free and will pirate even if they are well off. Shame on them, for screwing over the software industry when they really could afford to support it. You wouldn't have to look far to see other places in their life were they believe the world owes them everything, and I bet, allong with all the other selfish shitheads on the planet have made a great deal of lives harder or more hectic with their self centered persuit of everything for themselves and fuck the rest.

On the other hand, there are some people who do pirate, who have an ethic that whenever they have the money to buy the software, they sure as hell will. I have plenty of legitamite software that I have purchased in times of pleanty, and some that I haven't had a chance to afford legitimately, yet. Also, I often use the pirated versions to deside whether it's a piece of software that just has lots of sexy features and an impressive feature list, or actually something I'd use frequently. Time and time again, I've been suprised by the software that I end up using in a lot of my music, it's usually the ones that I don't think much of from their web site descriptions. It's not so possible to tell from using a short demo, or listening to samples of it, whether it's just gimickey ear candy or actually useful for creating unique music.

It all comes down to the fact that there are all kinds of people. Some, no matter what their station in life will be scoundrels. Look up some of the cases of millionaires who took to stealing from people and murdering people just because they wanted to enjoy the experience.... There are plenty of people who aren't of that persuasion. You're boss is just a dick for being able to afford it and still expecting it for nothing....I bet he doesn't tip his waiter when he goes to the hip resturaunt on the yuppy side of town.
 
Pinky said:
If you follow the link in my signature you'd see I'm less than anonymous.

Which brings me to another point - if piracy was the root of all evil I'd have been imprisoned for my involvement in this thread by now (for the simple admissions I've made). I definitely see people using this issue as a spring board for belittling others who don't see as they do. Software and mp3 file sharing are probably the least important of social and economic issues. It just makes for good news (13 year olds being sued), and because it's still got some gray areas makes for good discussion on forums. I've probably been a part of 100 threads on this subject, and they are all basically the same. People with money who buy every single piece of media they have get on the soap box and condemn the poor people. And it really is about that. It has nothing to do with righteousness (well, maybe self-righteousness) or the letter of the law. These were the same people who made cassette mixes for family and friends in the 80s and early 90s, who pay an accountant to be 'creative' with their taxes, and who blow by you in their 10mpg gas guzzling BMW SUVs at 110mph on the highway (in a hurry to get to the supermarket to fill that SUV with their 2 bags of groceries).
No one is saying piracy is the root of all evil so there is no need to exaggerate.

I'd say the reason you haven't been arrested or imprisoned is because your case is diminimis but keep squawking about it and I'm sure somone will help you with that. One of the girls that works for me got notifyed by her college recently that she had one week to delete all her pirated software off her computer or face a fine and/or removal from school. They required her to produce her laptop and sign a statement. A friend of hers in another college just got fined thousands of dollars for having pirated software on his computer.

I followed the link to your website and found all kinds of gear listed. Was that all stolen too? I was just wondering because I didn't see any of the stolen software you use listed there. Since you are selling the cd's made with their software don't you think the least you could do is credit them too?

You sound pretty jealous of people who have money and seem to know exactly what they do with it. If you don't like it, do something about it but don't steal to solve it, that is self righteous. If you have the faith you can do anything.
 
NYMorningstar said:
I followed the link to your website and found all kinds of gear listed. Was that all stolen too? I was just wondering because I didn't see any of the stolen software you use listed there. Since you are selling the cd's made with their software don't you think the least you could do is credit them too?

Obviously the gear is material and bought/paid for. I have yet to see a major recording act or producer/engineer for one list the software used on their recordings. That says something interesting in and of itself.
 
TerraMortim said:
Well, then he's just an asshole... It all comes down to the fact that there are all kinds of people. Some, no matter what their station in life will be scoundrels. Look up some of the cases of millionaires who took to stealing from people and murdering people just because they wanted to enjoy the experience.... There are plenty of people who aren't of that persuasion. You're boss is just a dick for being able to afford it and still expecting it for nothing....I bet he doesn't tip his waiter when he goes to the hip resturaunt on the yuppy side of town.

I'm going to agree with most of this post. I own several expensive pieces of software, lots of music CDs, and DVDs (movies and music). It's not like I steal for sake of stealing. I know people with 500+GB of downloaded stuff, just because they can. THAT is just stoopid. Then they share it out, for no reason but "it was free, so what do I care".

When I can afford to I buy the product. I like the analogy that using it can elevate the user to a new economic plateau. I'm trying that myself through selling the music I produce (not a single sale though). Eventually I may catch fire on the net and make a few bucks. Then my conscience will be faced with the option of buying the software I used as a tool to accomplish this. I see it as the software company's involuntary community service lay-away plan. I used now and pay later, assuming my use of their tool actually benefits me. If it doesn't, no harm no foul.
 
Pinky said:
I'm going to agree with most of this post. I own several expensive pieces of software, lots of music CDs, and DVDs (movies and music). It's not like I steal for sake of stealing. I know people with 500+GB of downloaded stuff, just because they can. THAT is just stoopid. Then they share it out, for no reason but "it was free, so what do I care".

When I can afford to I buy the product. I like the analogy that using it can elevate the user to a new economic plateau. I'm trying that myself through selling the music I produce (not a single sale though). Eventually I may catch fire on the net and make a few bucks. Then my conscience will be faced with the option of buying the software I used as a tool to accomplish this. I see it as the software company's involuntary community service lay-away plan. I used now and pay later, assuming my use of their tool actually benefits me. If it doesn't, no harm no foul.

Quit trying to justify yourself.

If I took that attitude with everything I owned, then I would have a lot of free stuff and no reason to pay for it.

You don't pay for something because of the money it makes you, you pay for it because you are using the product.

What you think because getting drunk on a Friday night doesn't make me any money, that I should get my beer for free?

None of my guitars have every made me any money. So I should have nicked them, and then pay for them later if I make some money?

Christ. the reasons and 'justifications' some of these people come up with for stealing shit is fucking absurd.

Quit grasping at straws. Stealing is stealing. You don't pay for something you're sposed to pay for, it's stealing. Simple as that. You people can try and justify it with your 'if's and 'but's, but you know you people are just trying desparately to skew peoples opinions of you in your favour.

I for one would respect these people more if they just said "fuck it. Yeah, I steal, so fucking what, fuck you!", that trying to come up with some seriously tenuous reason for justifying this shit. At least if you're honest about it it would mean you have some fucking balls somewhere.

Jesus Christ. Will someone please destroy this thread? The stench of bullshit is nigh on overpowering!
 
This "I'll pay for it when I make it big" rational reminds me of the California and Alaska gold rush. Few found gold, most didn't, and the sure money was made selling jeans, picks, etc. to the minors who were "going to strike it rich" when they reached the goldfields. Imagine all those miners telling them "I'll pay you on my way back with my sacks of gold".

If the software companies only got paid by the would be artists that actually end up making money, goodby software companies.

OK, next lame ass rational..........
 
Lets Just Face it....Poeple are Evil ,and they will do what they can get away with.....It is a Fact of Human nature and we see this type of aditude in allmost every aspect of Human Life ,From work to Love to Family ect.....

Is it Right or Wrong??...I don"t know ,It"s not my place to make those Judgements.....But what I DO know is that Poeple have been like this since the dawn of human History and will be this way till we all destroy ourselves or it is done for us.....


Hopefully this thread will DIE......NOW!!!!


:D
 
Minion said:
Lets Just Face it....Poeple are Evil

Na, there's nothing about pirating software that's evil. It just appeals to the kid in us that is all too ready to rationalize what we percieve as harmless bad behavior. The cause and effect is invisible to most people, and the cumulative effect that loses jobs, kills companies, and stifles development isn't clear to most. I just wish that when presented with the facts, people would get real.
 
I just find it amusing that we are all trying to bring each other round to our own ways of thinking. We all know it's not going to work, but still we aimlessly persist. :rolleyes:
 
Robert D said:
The cause and effect is invisible to most people, and the cumulative effect that loses jobs, kills companies, and stifles development isn't clear to most. I just wish that when presented with the facts, people would get real.

That's really how this differs from the analogies posted above - it's not like taking food out of someone's mouth. Not a single company has gone on record (with numbers to back this claim up) stating that they are laying off XX number of employees because people are 'stealing' their software. They develop for a target audience they know are eager to buy it. It's a zero loss because the 'sale' was never counted or counted-on in the first place, and because it's not material goods there's literally nothing to count for a loss.

Like I said earlier, if I'm not buying it at the prices they ask, they aren't taking a loss on my never and non-existent sale. They know it, I know it. Maybe we should focus on world hunger or global warming rather than what's happening on limewire tonight.

I'm not here to promote theft of everything not tied down. I just don't think the attitudes expressed in this and many other similar threads regarding pirated software is fair or accurate. It seems some are quick to judge and point fingers when they bend many rules themselves, and often those rules are truly detrimental to the well being of others.
 
Pinky said:
Maybe we should focus on world hunger or global warming rather than what's happening on limewire tonight.
There are other forums, threads and channels for that. Right here in this thread we discuss what happens on Limewire tonight.
 
Pinky said:
That's really how this differs from the analogies posted above - it's not like taking food out of someone's mouth. Not a single company has gone on record (with numbers to back this claim up) stating that they are laying off XX number of employees because people are 'stealing' their software. They develop for a target audience they know are eager to buy it. It's a zero loss because the 'sale' was never counted or counted-on in the first place, and because it's not material goods there's literally nothing to count for a loss.

Like I said earlier, if I'm not buying it at the prices they ask, they aren't taking a loss on my never and non-existent sale. They know it, I know it. Maybe we should focus on world hunger or global warming rather than what's happening on limewire tonight.

I'm not here to promote theft of everything not tied down. I just don't think the attitudes expressed in this and many other similar threads regarding pirated software is fair or accurate. It seems some are quick to judge and point fingers when they bend many rules themselves, and often those rules are truly detrimental to the well being of others.
I have just one question Pinky... whatever happened to Professor Scratch n' Sniff?
 
curse this forum. i first found about UAD so i've been using them for a while. then i lurked too much and found about URS plugs which i had to try and holy shit, plugins that actually do something! bloody drained $985 from ye olde bank account. fuck! oh well more artillery against this hideous darksoul blackmetal i'm so fond of.

rahhrghrblahrghs!@
 
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