legionserial
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pacman9000 said:
Ha! What a cop out.
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Ha! What a cop out.
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pacman9000
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it's the truth, now go have fun with your father ya fukin hick.
legionserial
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pacman9000 said:
Yup. You are indeed a typical armchair revolutionary. You sit there spurting all this crap, but when someone suggests that you get up off your arse and do something about it, instead of just sitting there gabbing away, you hide behind your sheild of 'intellectualism'. How very brave of you.
If you don't have the balls to try and change the world yourself, then shut the fuck up.
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pacman9000
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Demoralize the enemy from within by surprise, terror, sabotage, assassination. This is the war of the future.
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NYMorningstar
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That's already been the war of ignorance for centuries.pacman9000 said:
legionserial
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pacman9000 said:
Well go on then. Cos if you think you are issuing orders to anyone then I think you have ideas above your station.
mshilarious
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Demoralize the enemy by illicitly sampling his vinyl, and hope he doesn't notice and sue you 
Lenin, Guevara, Mao, and Ho would be proud
. . . is that Chavez on the phone for you
Lenin, Guevara, Mao, and Ho would be proud
. . . is that Chavez on the phone for you
TerraMortim
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how does it demoralize someone to sample them? You know this thread has inspired me to use more sampling in my music just to piss you off haha.
SouthSIDE Glen
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I'm probably the biggest idiot in the world for one reason....because I decided to join in this absolutely dipshit idiotic thread 
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But a point or two and a question or two...
First, Huntsville Alabama has a greater concentration of actual rocket scientists and engineers per capita than almost any other city in the world. To berate someone as a being dumb hick for hailing from there is indefensibly ignorant.
Next, having a life, I haven't had time to go back more than a couple of pages in this older-than-the-hills-thread, but at what point did someone confuse "sampling" with "piracy"? While sampling may not be my personal cup of tea, I can at least recognize it's basic intentions as sometimes being something a bit more more defensible than the simple vandalism or theft involved in true piracy.
Piracy, OTOH - and by that I mean the pure intentional and blatent theft of someone else's products or services - as being morally and ethically indefensible. Rebellion or revolution are not excuses or justifications for stomping on someone else's rights (which is exactly what theft and piracy do) unless two conditions are met; 1) they are in defense of one's own rights being suppressed or taken away, and 2) there are no other legal recourses to be taken in such a defense.
But piracy of software, hardware or content as espoused by today's young anarchist wannabes are not a rebellion against the loss of their own rights in any way, nor are they any kind of last resort after other - and usually better - courses of action have been used up. Today's piracy a la BitTorrent and the like is simply an excerise by those who feel that their own personal material desires are more important than their fellow man's rights. What a sad state that describes.
Using the idea of rebelling against "The Man" in the form of large record companies as an excuse for music piracy completly ignores the fact that it also involves stealing from The Artist. The retionalization usually given there is that "The Man" is stealing from The Artist, so you're actually doing The Artist a favor. Please .
That's not for anybody to decide but The Artist. Who are you or I do decide what's better for Joe Songwriter that Joe Songwriter can't decide for himself? If he releases indie productions where he hasn't signed his rights away to someone else, and says, "Yeah, I'm fine with file sharing", then cool; everybody's happy. If he is releasing indie stuff but asks his fans not to share his stuff, then we have two choices; respect him respect his wishes and respect his rights, or don't buy his product and let the market pressure work on him. And if he did choose to sign his rights away to someone else, then he no longer has a say in the matter; he's made his bed. If we don't like what the people who he signed his rights to are doing, then we do have a recourse. Don't buy their product or service. Do without it. Period. But that doen't give us the right to steal it. If you want it, but it. If you don't, then go somewhere else. It's as simple as that.
Anything more is just selfishness on our part, which makes us no better than The Man we are supposedly rebelling against.
Finally, when it comes to software piracy, with the exception of megacorps like Microsoft and Oracle and the like, most software companies are nowhere near as big or as impersonal as most software pirates believe them to be. Anybody who things that the companies like Cakewalk, Waves, Steinberg, Native Instruments, etc. are huge faceless corporations are just plain wrong.
I know, because I used to work as a developer and engineer for just such kinds of companies, and I still know folks who work in the same capacity for such places (if you use pro or prosumer A/V software products by Sony or Adobe, chances are I know at least one of the development engineers who helped produce your software). They are almost always companies of less than 100 people - and that's including everybody from the CEO to the front desk receptionist - and often are easily companies or divisions of less than 50 employees and less than a dozen engineers, taking up one floor of an office building somewhere.
Every copy of Waves Platinum or Cubase or Acid Pro or whatever that's pirated *does* have a direct and felt effect on these suprising small communities of folks who are only trying to put out a quality product in order to pay the bills to raise their families. That's not just a sob story; from first-hand experience I can tell you it's the truth.
You think they charge too much? Fine, then don't buy the product. They'll get the message and find a way to adjust. They will improve their product or price or both in order to get your business. They have to. The alternative is the unemployment line.
Go to a competitor, or go even open source of you must have the product. But don't resort to theft. That does nobody any good, including yourself.
G.
.But a point or two and a question or two...
First, Huntsville Alabama has a greater concentration of actual rocket scientists and engineers per capita than almost any other city in the world. To berate someone as a being dumb hick for hailing from there is indefensibly ignorant.
Next, having a life, I haven't had time to go back more than a couple of pages in this older-than-the-hills-thread, but at what point did someone confuse "sampling" with "piracy"? While sampling may not be my personal cup of tea, I can at least recognize it's basic intentions as sometimes being something a bit more more defensible than the simple vandalism or theft involved in true piracy.
Piracy, OTOH - and by that I mean the pure intentional and blatent theft of someone else's products or services - as being morally and ethically indefensible. Rebellion or revolution are not excuses or justifications for stomping on someone else's rights (which is exactly what theft and piracy do) unless two conditions are met; 1) they are in defense of one's own rights being suppressed or taken away, and 2) there are no other legal recourses to be taken in such a defense.
But piracy of software, hardware or content as espoused by today's young anarchist wannabes are not a rebellion against the loss of their own rights in any way, nor are they any kind of last resort after other - and usually better - courses of action have been used up. Today's piracy a la BitTorrent and the like is simply an excerise by those who feel that their own personal material desires are more important than their fellow man's rights. What a sad state that describes.
Using the idea of rebelling against "The Man" in the form of large record companies as an excuse for music piracy completly ignores the fact that it also involves stealing from The Artist. The retionalization usually given there is that "The Man" is stealing from The Artist, so you're actually doing The Artist a favor. Please
. That's not for anybody to decide but The Artist. Who are you or I do decide what's better for Joe Songwriter that Joe Songwriter can't decide for himself? If he releases indie productions where he hasn't signed his rights away to someone else, and says, "Yeah, I'm fine with file sharing", then cool; everybody's happy. If he is releasing indie stuff but asks his fans not to share his stuff, then we have two choices; respect him respect his wishes and respect his rights, or don't buy his product and let the market pressure work on him. And if he did choose to sign his rights away to someone else, then he no longer has a say in the matter; he's made his bed. If we don't like what the people who he signed his rights to are doing, then we do have a recourse. Don't buy their product or service. Do without it. Period. But that doen't give us the right to steal it. If you want it, but it. If you don't, then go somewhere else. It's as simple as that.
Anything more is just selfishness on our part, which makes us no better than The Man we are supposedly rebelling against.
Finally, when it comes to software piracy, with the exception of megacorps like Microsoft and Oracle and the like, most software companies are nowhere near as big or as impersonal as most software pirates believe them to be. Anybody who things that the companies like Cakewalk, Waves, Steinberg, Native Instruments, etc. are huge faceless corporations are just plain wrong.
I know, because I used to work as a developer and engineer for just such kinds of companies, and I still know folks who work in the same capacity for such places (if you use pro or prosumer A/V software products by Sony or Adobe, chances are I know at least one of the development engineers who helped produce your software). They are almost always companies of less than 100 people - and that's including everybody from the CEO to the front desk receptionist - and often are easily companies or divisions of less than 50 employees and less than a dozen engineers, taking up one floor of an office building somewhere.
Every copy of Waves Platinum or Cubase or Acid Pro or whatever that's pirated *does* have a direct and felt effect on these suprising small communities of folks who are only trying to put out a quality product in order to pay the bills to raise their families. That's not just a sob story; from first-hand experience I can tell you it's the truth.
You think they charge too much? Fine, then don't buy the product. They'll get the message and find a way to adjust. They will improve their product or price or both in order to get your business. They have to. The alternative is the unemployment line.
Go to a competitor, or go even open source of you must have the product. But don't resort to theft. That does nobody any good, including yourself.
G.
noisewreck
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Cool Glen. I've been trying to get a job with Native Instruments because I am a strong believer in their products, because they are one of the very few companies that constantly push the envelope. Think you could put me in touch with someone that works there?
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danny.guitar
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SouthSIDE Glen said:
Damn even I didn't know that and I've been living here most of my life.
SouthSIDE Glen
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Sorry, I know no one at NI. If I did, I might be able to afford an upgrade to Traktor Pro for my DJ gigsnoisewreck said:Cool Glen. I've been trying to get a job with Native Instruments because I am a strong believer in their products, because they are one of the very few companies that constantly push the envelope. Think you could put me in touch with someone that works there?
.Actually I only recently discovered that one or two of my old engineering co-workers at D-Vision/Discreet Logic are now working for Sony (nee Sonic Foundry) and that what's left of my old Discreet team is now owned by Adobe (then again, who isn't owned by Adobe now; they've bought everybody from Syntrillum to Macromedia in the past few years
) But that's the extent of my nepotistic ripples, and even then its with people I haven't worked with in 8 years or so.Heck, I don't know of any other city that actually has the space shuttle in the city's logoDanny.Guitar said:
. From the city's own website:"Huntsville, Alabama USA is one of the most recognized cities in the Southeast — consistently named as one of the best places to live and work by a variety of national publications. Our city is regularly named as a premier location for both business and quality of life.
"Technology, space, and defense industries have a major presence here with the Army's Redstone Arsenal, NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center, and Cummings Research Park."
"Technology, space, and defense industries have a major presence here with the Army's Redstone Arsenal, NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center, and Cummings Research Park."
G.
wheelema
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I'm moving!!SouthSIDE Glen said:
SouthSIDE Glen
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Surely you're joking, Mr. Wheelema!wheelema said:
(sorry couldn't resist after seeing your sig)
G.
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Toker41
Better Than You
SouthSIDE Glen said:I'm probably the biggest idiot in the world for one reason....because I decided to join in this absolutely dipshit idiotic thread
But a point or two and a question or two...
First, Huntsville Alabama has a greater concentration of actual rocket scientists and engineers per capita than almost any other city in the world. To berate someone as a being dumb hick for hailing from there is indefensibly ignorant.
Next, having a life, I haven't had time to go back more than a couple of pages in this older-than-the-hills-thread, but at what point did someone confuse "sampling" with "piracy"? While sampling may not be my personal cup of tea, I can at least recognize it's basic intentions as sometimes being something a bit more more defensible than the simple vandalism or theft involved in true piracy.
Piracy, OTOH - and by that I mean the pure intentional and blatent theft of someone else's products or services - as being morally and ethically indefensible. Rebellion or revolution are not excuses or justifications for stomping on someone else's rights (which is exactly what theft and piracy do) unless two conditions are met; 1) they are in defense of one's own rights being suppressed or taken away, and 2) there are no other legal recourses to be taken in such a defense.
But piracy of software, hardware or content as espoused by today's young anarchist wannabes are not a rebellion against the loss of their own rights in any way, nor are they any kind of last resort after other - and usually better - courses of action have been used up. Today's piracy a la BitTorrent and the like is simply an excerise by those who feel that their own personal material desires are more important than their fellow man's rights. What a sad state that describes.
Using the idea of rebelling against "The Man" in the form of large record companies as an excuse for music piracy completly ignores the fact that it also involves stealing from The Artist. The retionalization usually given there is that "The Man" is stealing from The Artist, so you're actually doing The Artist a favor. Please
That's not for anybody to decide but The Artist. Who are you or I do decide what's better for Joe Songwriter that Joe Songwriter can't decide for himself? If he releases indie productions where he hasn't signed his rights away to someone else, and says, "Yeah, I'm fine with file sharing", then cool; everybody's happy. If he is releasing indie stuff but asks his fans not to share his stuff, then we have two choices; respect him respect his wishes and respect his rights, or don't buy his product and let the market pressure work on him. And if he did choose to sign his rights away to someone else, then he no longer has a say in the matter; he's made his bed. If we don't like what the people who he signed his rights to are doing, then we do have a recourse. Don't buy their product or service. Do without it. Period. But that doen't give us the right to steal it. If you want it, but it. If you don't, then go somewhere else. It's as simple as that.
Anything more is just selfishness on our part, which makes us no better than The Man we are supposedly rebelling against.
Finally, when it comes to software piracy, with the exception of megacorps like Microsoft and Oracle and the like, most software companies are nowhere near as big or as impersonal as most software pirates believe them to be. Anybody who things that the companies like Cakewalk, Waves, Steinberg, Native Instruments, etc. are huge faceless corporations are just plain wrong.
I know, because I used to work as a developer and engineer for just such kinds of companies, and I still know folks who work in the same capacity for such places (if you use pro or prosumer A/V software products by Sony or Adobe, chances are I know at least one of the development engineers who helped produce your software). They are almost always companies of less than 100 people - and that's including everybody from the CEO to the front desk receptionist - and often are easily companies or divisions of less than 50 employees and less than a dozen engineers, taking up one floor of an office building somewhere.
Every copy of Waves Platinum or Cubase or Acid Pro or whatever that's pirated *does* have a direct and felt effect on these suprising small communities of folks who are only trying to put out a quality product in order to pay the bills to raise their families. That's not just a sob story; from first-hand experience I can tell you it's the truth.
You think they charge too much? Fine, then don't buy the product. They'll get the message and find a way to adjust. They will improve their product or price or both in order to get your business. They have to. The alternative is the unemployment line.
Go to a competitor, or go even open source of you must have the product. But don't resort to theft. That does nobody any good, including yourself.
G.
Again, I say, that studies have shown that most people that use pirated software would not have bought the software if they couldn't have gotten it for free, thus pirating has no measurable impact on sales.
mshilarious
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Toker41 said:
Discretionary spending has a limit for everybody, so total dollars spent wouldn't change, but the allocation of those dollars would change. Since gear can't be pirated, usually it is bought (sometimes stolen, but I don't think anybody here has defended that . . . yet!), meaning that vendors of physical goods receive a larger share than they would if there were no piracy.
Hmmm, maybe I should shut up
SouthSIDE Glen
independentrecording.net
Most people who steal diamonds would never have bought them if they could not have gotten them for free either. That doesn't make diamond theft an acceptable practice, and it doesn't make your defense hold any more water than a strainer.Toker41 said:
Which part of the word "theft" do you not understand?
Which part of the idea that your own desires do not supercede the rights of others do you not agree with?
Which part of "you're not above the law" bugs you the most?
What is it about The Golden Rule that you find so wrong?
G.
lurgan liar
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wheelema
Boner-obo
Well, personally, I am sick and tired of $.35 million 2x4 and stucco wonders crammed into tiny lots, sick and tired of not having a life. Of course, if I moved to Alabama I might become sick and tired of the weather.SouthSIDE Glen said:
Maybe I'll just visit... see how it goes.
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danny.guitar
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Toker41 said:
What studies are you referring to? People seem to always throw that statement around: "studies show that..." and NEVER back it up by showing sources. I'm not saying you're lying or you're wrong, but it's just you might as well not even say that if there's no proof.
And even if the studies are true, it doesn't make software pirating right! It's still theft, regardless of how (if at all) it effects the company. (And it does).
wheelema said:
The weather has been pretty weird lately...hot, then cold, then hot and cold again. People seem to get sick more often here too, at least people who are not from here.
There really aren't many hicks in Huntsville, until you start going out more into the country. Think of the movie 'Deliverance'.
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