Do patchbays degrade the quality of the sound?

[Blue Bear Sound]

well im sorry, but you didnt make that very clear

Then your comprehension is a bit off -- this seems pretty clear to me:

Normalled connections have nothing whatever to do with balanced or unbalanced connectivity...

Normalled connections means the conductors are hardwired internally so there is signal flow even without a jumper............

 

[tyler657recpro]

Well I've never heard them refered to as "jumpers". They've always been patch cables to me.

 

[tdukex]

Well I've never heard them refered to as "jumpers". They've always been patch cables to me.

So...how long of a time is "always"? About a month?

 

[sjjohnston]

Huh?

I love patchbays, they dont degrade the sound. Just dont buy the behringer! They made a major design flaw, and wired it out of phase!!!! Can you believe it!? So if you ever get any cancellation, you'll know why.

How, exactly, would one wire an unbalanced patchbay "out of phase"? I guess I can't believe it. Perhaps those Behringer engineers are more clever and original than we had thought.

I do agree that patchbays don't degrade the sound (unless they break).

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

Well I've never heard them refered to as "jumpers". They've always been patch cables to me.

Boy have you got A LOT to learn........

 

[tyler657recpro]

It's because Behringer is just a knock-off of Mackie. But what's even more amazing, is that as far as I know, they haven't attempted to fix their problem yet.

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

It's because Behringer is just a knock-off of Mackie. But what's even more amazing, is that as far as I know, they haven't attempted to fix their problem yet.

ssjohnston is completely correct... Behringer PBs are unbalanced, so they CANNOT be wired out-of-phase....

So let me ask again, what the bloody hell are you talking about, wannabe????

BTW -- when are you going to post some examples of your er, "abilities" (and I use the term VERY loosely)??? I'd really like to know what's behind your incredible lack of knowledge that you seem totally unaware of........!

Bruce

 

[elevate]

what's behind your incredible lack of knowledge that you seem totally unaware of

Heh. It's one thing to be stupid, but to be stupid and not only be not aware of it, but to think you're an authority on some subject is really rather funny. It's like a 4th grader talking to you in a condescending tone.

 

[tyler657recpro]

what do you mean it can' t be wired out of phase? What do you think wiring tip a to sleeve b and sleeve a to tip b would be? I think ur the wanna be, and you try to sound like you know what ur doing by babbling on and on and on. It just keeps going.

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

what do you mean it can' t be wired out of phase? What do you think wiring tip a to sleeve b and sleeve a to tip b would be? I think ur the wanna be, and you try to sound like you know what ur doing by babbling on and on and on. It just keeps going.

ok...here we go again... back to fucking kindergarten......

Look you twit, a phase-differential signal is carried ONLY THRU BALANCED lines.... a single conductor run (as in UNBALANCED LINES AND CONNECTORS - such as the Behringer PB has) does not, and CANNOT, be wired out-of-phase.........



Now, do you understand??? ...or do I have to sound-out the big words for you???

gimme fuckin' break..........

 

[tyler657recpro]

You couldn't be more wrong, but you can think what you want to think, and anyway it's beside the point. Behringer patchbays suck. That's all I'm trying to say, and you drag it out into all this and waste people's time. You don't have a fucking clue and you seem a little imature to be 36, but you probably really are. By the way, a lot of the shit in your stuido is crap. Especially that Mackie console. Nobody pays $3500 bucks for a recording console. I'm not dissing makcie, but that particular mixer is a piece of shit. And you call yourself a recording engineer.

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

Ah well...

...looks like little-tyler-wannabe lives in his own little world!

If you're representative of the next generation of engineers, I feel sorry for people's ears in the future........

 

[Scooter B]

Tyler, Tyler, Tyler....

If you relax and don't try to pretend to know everything and don't awnser questions you don't understand everyone on this board and especially Bruce will be very helpfull, polite and respectfull. He also does this recording thing for a living.

I have been here (on this board) around a year I think and Bruce has been very helpfull and knowledgable as have many others.

It is quite obvious Bruce is not the one lacking in maturity (hence my nap and diaper reference at your expense). If you don't believe me I would be happy to start a poll right here and right now on who is demonstrating a lack of maturity and you will lose in a landslide.

I am not here wasting my time to diss you. The biggest thing you could do to demonstrate an ounce of maturity is to admit you were wrong and move on.

Your choice... but the only person you have fooled so far is yourself.

Regarding the out of phase issue: Wiring tip "A" to sleeve "B" as you described will result in a short not an out of phase experience. If you don't believe me then please be my guest and try it on YOUR equipment.

I sincerely hope you choose to grow up, hang out and participate. You will be welcomed and will learn a lot. If you choose to cop the attitude and further proclaim your ignorance you are wasting our time and you will probably get flamed beyond recognition if not kicked off the board altogether.

Peace

 

[tyler657recpro]

I have done it on my equiptment, and if you do that to one side of a stereo channel and not on the other side, it cancels out everything if you play the same thing in both sides.

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

You are so unbelievably mixed-up., it's incredible............!

I can't re-state what I said above any clearer.... what I said was factual....

Whatever the hell it is you're trying to say is, so far, pure bullshit.........



And I'm still waiting to hear some examples of your "highly advanced" skills............ if you were SO knowledgeable and smart, you'd think you'd want to "put me in my place" by proving yourself.......... so c'mon.... post a clip of your best engineering work.....

Bruce

 

[Track Rat]

This is why some animals eat their young.
Speaking of patchbays, I'm finally adding the HD24 to the patchbays witha home built snake. Actually, I'm remaking about 3/4 of the connectors in the studio now. I'm moving stuff around to get a little more floor space and shortening some cable runs. I'm using the Switchcraft 2600 series patchbays. All rear connections are soldered. I've been soldering for the last three days.

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

Originally posted by Track Rat
This is why some animals eat their young.

LOL!

 

[Badger]

Not to defend idiot boy or anything, but if you reverse the wires on an unbalanced cord, the signal would be inverted, or 180 out of phase with what it started out. Its the same effect if you revers the wires going to your stereo speakers. In theory anyway. How this would matter to anybody if, say, the signal from thier drum machine was inverted, is beyond me. If the devices connected this way shared a case ground, like being in the same rack, it would short the signal out, so I seriously doubt that the patchbay in question has this problem, because people would be bitching all over the web and I did a search and theres nothing. Sounds like BS to me, but an unbalanced signal is still AC signal and it still has a phase, and if you reverse the two wires, the phase is reversed.

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

I'm sorry, that is not the same thing... unbalanced signals, by definition, are NOT polarity-dependent (that is precisely the difference between a balanced signal and an unbalanced signal...)

What you are talking about is cancelling effect of say a stereo output... That is a completely different story....

Presumably, baby-tyler is talking about the same thing, and in his great wisdom, not realizing there's a difference......

Bruce

 

[Badger]

I'm sorry, that is not the same thing... unbalanced signals, by definition, are NOT polarity-dependent (that is precisely the difference between a balanced signal and an unbalanced signal...)

What you are talking about is cancelling effect of say a stereo output... That is a completely different story....

Presumably, baby-tyler is talking about the same thing, and in his great wisdom. not realizing there's a difference......

Bruce

Thats the impresion I got, that thats what he was talking about. He just didnt explain himself very well. Mind you, he's still being an ass....BTW, I have heard that same thing a long time ago about those patchbays, but I wrote it off as UL at the time..