Do i NEED to mic an amp?

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Greg_L said:
Nope. The wife and chilluns went to her dad's, I stayed home and watched the Saints. :)

How was yours?
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The half time show wasn't bad :D Did you see they were micing up the snare with what looked like to me was a SM7b. I'm going to have to utube it to make sure.

The Pats had Kid Rock for there half entertainment.







:cool:
 
Yeh, the KU halftime show was very entertaining. Much better than what the super bowl halftime show is gonna be this year, imo. Kid Rock was meh-tacular as usual.
 
moresound said:
The half time show wasn't bad :D Did you see they were micing up the snare with what looked like to me was a SM7b. I'm going to have to utube it to make sure.

The Pats had Kid Rock for there half entertainment.







:cool:
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Halftime show? I've never in my life watched a halftime show. :laughings: :laughings:
 
OK....I'll take the Pepsi challange! :D

Supercreep said:
Here's three. Pick out the modeled sounds: http://www.littlepurplecircles.com/listen.html#Cloud
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I believe all three have been done with guitar amp sims (and/or SS amps).

1. The main guitar chord/riff running throughout the song.

2. The distorted guitar pattern...and maybe the other guitar parts too.

3. The funky chord part and also the one playing the arpeggio part.

There is a high-end homogenized sound that is present on all of them, which often implies modeling.

One caveat...I'm listening on a laptop, which tends to skew things a bit, but I don't have the time right now to download files, take to my studio and listen on my studio monitors.

Oh...none of it sounds *bad*...it's all very listenable and well done overall.
I see now the where the "Supercreep" thing comes from...you seem to be a Supertramp fan...with a little Boston thrown in. ;)
 
Supercreep said:
To all the folks who swear up and down that Pod stuff sucks and is obvious/fake etc. - I use them as well as many tube and ss amps. None of y'all have ever been able tell me where I'm using a modeler. I'm no great shakes at the guitar, but I'm interested in interesting sounds. If a modeler gets me there, I'm using a fuckin' modeler.

Here's three. Pick out the modeled sounds: http://www.littlepurplecircles.com/listen.html#Cloud
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If I get a chance, I'll listen tonight. :) Checking out of the thread right now before I see what anyone else things.
 
miroslav said:
I believe all three have been done with guitar amp sims (and/or SS amps).
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Two of the three use models. All of them use tube amps, and one uses SS.

miroslav said:
1. The main guitar chord/riff running throughout the song.
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Wrong. Rickenbacker 360-12 through a Fender SuperSonic.

miroslav said:
2. The distorted guitar pattern...and maybe the other guitar parts too.
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Wrong. Gibson SG through a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe and a Mesa Stilletto Deuce. There is some modeling on the song, but it's not on the main riff at all.


miroslav said:
3. The funky chord part and also the one playing the arpeggio part.
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I assume you mean the chord stabs in the intro? Wrong. Fender Deluxe Telecaster through a Hot Rod deluxe.

The arpeggio is indeed a modeler - in fact, it is two: A Pod XT and a Variax guitar doing fake 12-strings - it was prior to my owning the 360-12.

Good job all around. It's glad to see that even though you weren't great at picking out the models, you put your money where your mouth is.

Rep on the way.

-SC
 
It's closer they say and it's fading away.......

Supercreep said:
To all the folks who swear up and down that Pod stuff sucks and is obvious/fake etc. - I use them as well as many tube and ss amps. None of y'all have ever been able tell me where I'm using a modeler. I'm no great shakes at the guitar, but I'm interested in interesting sounds. If a modeler gets me there, I'm using a fuckin' modeler.

Here's three. Pick out the modeled sounds: http://www.littlepurplecircles.com/listen.html#Cloud
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"Cloud" is such a fantasmic album, I don't care what was used on it. I don't care if a Diana Ross and Dolly Parton vocal sim was used for the harmonies. What matters is that one finds one's way to one's destination, not whether one took the motorway or the scenic route.

I found this rather interesting segment of an interview with the producer, Don Gehman, in volume 2 of "Behind the glass" by Howard Massey. He did the first volume some years ago and this one takes into account many of the changes in recording technology since the 90s. There's alot said about homerecorders in this volume.

What's your approach towards recording guitars?

I've been using the Amp Farm plug-in a lot. In fact, these days, I sometimes don't use any amps at all. The advantage there is that it's something that's repeatable. You don't necessarily have to record the sound?you can record a DI and effect it differently way later. You need a lot of DSP power to do that, but if you're dealing with multiple guitar tracks, I find Amp Farm is totally satisfactory, to the point where I don't know that using a real amp would really be advantageous.


But when you were using real amps, how did you mic them?

Usually I would record a guitar amp with a [Neumann U] 67 and a [Shure SMJ57 right next to each other and then go through a Fairchild [compressor].
 
Supercreep said:
Good job all around. It's glad to see that even though you weren't great at picking out the models, you put your money where your mouth is.

Rep on the way.
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Not making excuses...but the built-in laptop speakers have a tendency to make everything sound...."artificial". :D
I wish I had a chance to listen to them on my studio monitors before you put up the answers.

Either way...I agree that decent sims, prepped well, CAN be hidden/masked within a denser mix so that they are not easily picked out.
For me, the sims are mainly bothersome during the tracking process when I can really hear them in their raw state and without the benefit of the whole mix to cover them.
I know if I had to use a decent modeler, I could get it to work within a mix...but when I'm tracking, I look over at my tube amps and prefer to go with them instead. It's just a personal choice...that's all.

Thanks for the rep... :drunk:

Was I at least right about the Supertramp/Boston influences. ;)
 
grimtraveller said:
What's your approach towards recording guitars?

I've been using the Amp Farm plug-in a lot. In fact, these days, I sometimes don't use any amps at all. The advantage there is that it's something that's repeatable. You don't necessarily have to record the sound—you can record a DI and effect it differently way later. You need a lot of DSP power to do that, but if you're dealing with multiple guitar tracks, I find Amp Farm is totally satisfactory, to the point where I don't know that using a real amp would really be advantageous.
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I wonder if there's an Amp Farm endorsement involved...? ;)

The advantage may not be just in the ability to flip through sounds after the fact. Lots of guys like playing the amp/cab and hearing THAT sound and going with it...rather than just grabbing the performance and then worrying about which sounds to pick when it comes time to mix.
I don't think it's about "advantage" at all...though I guess some folks can view sims that way if they prefer to get the pieces recorded and then decide on the production direction later on.
It's all in how you prefer to work...no real right/wrong...and no real advantage to either, IMO.
 
The second track, "A Measure of Salt" has a bit of Boston flavor. :)
 
miroslav said:
Not making excuses...but the built-in laptop speakers have a tendency to make everything sound...."artificial". :D
I wish I had a chance to listen to them on my studio monitors before you put up the answers.

Either way...I agree that decent sims, prepped well, CAN be hidden/masked within a denser mix so that they are not easily picked out.
For me, the sims are mainly bothersome during the tracking process when I can really hear them in their raw state and without the benefit of the whole mix to cover them.
I know if I had to use a decent modeler, I could get it to work within a mix...but when I'm tracking, I look over at my tube amps and prefer to go with them instead. It's just a personal choice...that's all.

Thanks for the rep... :drunk:

Was I at least right about the Supertramp/Boston influences. ;)
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ah the old laptop speakers switcherooney trick ;)


I havent seen that one being pulled since nineteen oatcake :D
 
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