Do i NEED to mic an amp?

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kcearl said:
whatever...if it wasnt for us Scots the Brits woulda wasted you Yanks...so you can thank us for your country later :D
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Yeah for the revolutionary war ..... but as for the civil war the scots fought on both the north and the south with a low number count of about 50,000 to 80,000 per side. ;)
I ▼ my history. :D







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kcearl said:
whatever...if it wasnt for us Scots the Brits woulda wasted you Yanks...so you can thank us for your country later :D
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And it wasn't all that hard the Brits wore red and marched in a straight line while the colonist wore green and brown hide in the tree line and shot as will. :D







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kcearl said:
bloody cowards :mad:


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Gorilla warfare worked great for the native Americans till the rapid fire rifles came along. Worked well for N. Vietnam too! But napalm had them running in circles and going underground. :D








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CFox said:
Hey Winedrinker sorry for the delay.. and thanks for pointing out the obvious...again. Lols.

Wine drinking itself is not a double blind or even blind study styled pursuit - ideally.

The bottle is selected via the label, the heritage appraised and discussed, it's poured and then assessed as either A) piss, or B) not piss.

These experts could not pick that the white had been coloured with red food dye and they all described the taste in red terms. Lols.

The other study, most classified the non piss as piss when put in a cheap bottle and reclassified it as non piss when decanted out the fancy bottle. Lols

Lets not forget the wine frauds that are uncovered frequently ( not from complaints as to authenticity of flavour mind you )....lols


Wine drinking, unless for effect or the possible heart benefits of red, is, essentially, for posturing wankers.

Bottoms up Drew.



How does this relate to amp sims ? Well the listener is expecting a sound - they dont know whether its a real or sim but they either like the sound ( not piss ) or they dont ( piss )...It is, however presented to them as a guitar amp sound.

Not sure on the rest of this thread as I have stepped in on your post but I am guessing that any HR expert who claims to be able to detect a real from sim will provide plenty of caveats in their identification.

"I am not in the ideal listening environment"
"They all sound suss to me - even if its real, i dont like the way it was recorded"
"Wouldn't stand repeated listens if looped ad nauseam for 6 hours"
...and other face saving bs to protect their vested interest.


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While I choose more often than not to mic my amps, because I can, I don't see that micing an amp is something you should be entirely rigid about. I almost always use mics for up front hi-gain rhythm tones, but I've heard some very nice tones out of modellers...just not when I'm using them! About 50% of my clean guitar sounds are direct, and roughly the same proportion of my leads are too (recording lead guitar at high volume for any length of time tends to get a little grating for me and the neighbours). In fact, direct recording is about the only thing one of the amps I have is good for.

I think it's silly to be rigid about it one way or another. Get the sound you want the best way you can. If direct or modelling suits, do it. If a miked up tone works, do it. If I want to run my guitar through an old telephone circuit running straight into my sound card, because that's the sound I'm looking for, then that's what I'm going to do.

Not to get all art fag, but principles, ethics, and processes as a matter of course.... they're a total waste of time in any artistic endeavour. If people didn't think outside of the box and instead chose to stick stubbornly to specific way of doing something all the time, there would be no innnovation and everything would sound the same. Sure there are best practices in a lot of areas, but rules can be bent. Not that there are any rules about this kind of thing.
 
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moresound said:
I had the heartbreak of psoriasis for the moon landing. :rolleyes:
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It beats having erectile dysfunction over the Cuban Missile Crisis, I guess.

And the revolutionary war hinged upon the French more than anything else. If the Frog navy didn't support the colonies, we'd all have bad teeth from eating crumpets and tea all day by now. ;)

I should know, I'm one of those old fogies that was there! :D

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I like to use both amp sims and mic my amp but I'm not limited to just that approach either. I like using an SM57 to mic the amp because it has a lot of punch in the mid-range. You don't have to have a great room to get a great sound either. Split your signal from your guitar, one to the amp sim and the other to the amp. Each to it's on channel into whatever DAW you are using and blend the two sounds to achieve a killer meaty guitar tone. You really don't have to spend a lot of money either on a mic or amp. You can get an SM57 for 100.00 and a Fender Blues Jr. for 500 or a Pro Jr. for 400. All it takes is patience and experimentation with mic placement. It is like somebody stated in an earlier post, there are no rules. Experiment until you get the sound that gives you goose bumps. Try moving your amp to a bathroom, garage, outdoors, etc.. Don't stop at just placing the mic in front of the amp. Point the mic towards a reflective wall approx. 6 inches away and your amp pointing at the back of the mic approx. 12 inches away in a small room, such as a tiled bathroom wall, and see how big your guitar can sound. The sky is the limit.
 
^^ What's this guy talking about? Amps and junk...
 
itaughttremonti said:
^^ What's this guy talking about? Amps and junk...
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As a matter of fact, for an opening post it's the lick !
Truth be told there are any number of ways of getting interesting guitar sounds and their idea of pointing mics at the back of an amp and at a reflective wall is a good one, just as going thru an amp then into a sim and vice versa is.
Rigidity is just too damned rigid.
 
Greg_L said:
You can't beat a great player playing a great guitar into a great amp in a great room into a great mic into a great pre-amp. Nothing beats the real thing.
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I would say if you are eventually looking to get to this point then obviously get a mic, but if you are just making demos for your band or helping other bands make demos then amp sims will be fine. I've never used them but I doubt Greg would steer you in the wrong direction.
 
You don't need the mixer, there's nary a few interfaces out there now that can't take a cable direct from the guitar. Be warned though, if you DON'T have any amp simulation software, it will sound like crap.
 
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