bennychico11
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oh man, have you ever even used PT?
first off:
you said you'd spend 20K on an HD system, and it's only 10K to get hardware and the core card AND software to get you running. Yes, that comes with some plugins too. So you get a 96I/O which gives you 18 channels right there and the corecard which will support up to 32. but then again, have you ever tracked up to 32 tracks at once? hell...how many times have you ended up with 32 different instruments multitracking?? i know i have yet to reach that maximum on the LE system. Also...TDM systems....support up to 192 channels of I/O. How much does your system at home support? Okay, now multiply the cost of your hardware, plus the cost of software and enough CPUs in order to relieve total strain on your computer's processor...and figure how much it would be for you to multiply your system to equal 192 I/Os.
second:
CPU usage on LE is through the roof?? Man, I have yet to notice that...my system must be a fluke. Just like reshp said, my CPU usage is hardly registering at all when PT is idle or working. Hell, I throw a crap load of plugins on and it's still barely using half the processor power. Your friend doesn't know how to use his computer then. I have an AMD XP and an AMD 64 and both run smooth as can be with PT. Correction, too, on your statement, it's 32 voiceable tracks. Not total tracks. You can have as many Aux tracks and 128 MIDI tracks. Oh, you know what too...hmmm...seems like Cubase has an entry version as well. Cubase SE?? Also, I've never used sonar, so I can't say for sure...but do you have Machine control with those systems? Either MIDI or 9 pin serial??? How about the ability to import Avid projects directly into your session and export them back out for Avid compatibility? Any post production stuff at all? Beat detective? Tab to transient tool? Loop record? Just wondering.
But you're right, it's not fair to compare LE and TDM versions. One was geared towards home users, while the other big music and post production studios. You know, facilities that NEED 192 channels of I/O at one time. Now tell me, how much did you pay for Sonar or Cubase SX? $600?? Did you get any hardware with that? No? Well...go ahead and find a decent 18 channel I/O and tell me how much that totaled for you. Well...we got the MOTU....oops, that's 800. Already over the 002 limit. We got the Firepod...but that's only 10 channels of I/O isn't it? Well shit, i'm stumped. And luckily little Johnny paid a little extra for the 002 control surface. 'Cause his new product acts like a stand alone mixer too!!!
Three things all in one unit???!!?!
Look, i think we kinda hijacked 43% thread in getting into a "why Pro Tools is better" discussion (oh wait...wasn't that the conclusion we just came to?)
Anyway, Green Hornet's right. no matter what you choose, you'll have some sort of learning curve ahead of you and it all depends on what kind of person you are and how well you learn things. so in otherwords...just pick a system and start recording! that's the best way you're going to learn. and just thank god that you're even able to use a software program to record and you're not doing it on 2" tape. people back then just accepted what they had and were glad to even do multitrack (although I bet there were fights over what format of tape to use or how to properly set the azimuth of the head )
first off:
jpfour23 said:
you said you'd spend 20K on an HD system, and it's only 10K to get hardware and the core card AND software to get you running. Yes, that comes with some plugins too. So you get a 96I/O which gives you 18 channels right there and the corecard which will support up to 32. but then again, have you ever tracked up to 32 tracks at once? hell...how many times have you ended up with 32 different instruments multitracking?? i know i have yet to reach that maximum on the LE system. Also...TDM systems....support up to 192 channels of I/O. How much does your system at home support? Okay, now multiply the cost of your hardware, plus the cost of software and enough CPUs in order to relieve total strain on your computer's processor...and figure how much it would be for you to multiply your system to equal 192 I/Os.
second:
CPU usage on LE is through the roof?? Man, I have yet to notice that...my system must be a fluke. Just like reshp said, my CPU usage is hardly registering at all when PT is idle or working. Hell, I throw a crap load of plugins on and it's still barely using half the processor power. Your friend doesn't know how to use his computer then. I have an AMD XP and an AMD 64 and both run smooth as can be with PT. Correction, too, on your statement, it's 32 voiceable tracks. Not total tracks. You can have as many Aux tracks and 128 MIDI tracks. Oh, you know what too...hmmm...seems like Cubase has an entry version as well. Cubase SE?? Also, I've never used sonar, so I can't say for sure...but do you have Machine control with those systems? Either MIDI or 9 pin serial??? How about the ability to import Avid projects directly into your session and export them back out for Avid compatibility? Any post production stuff at all? Beat detective? Tab to transient tool? Loop record? Just wondering.
But you're right, it's not fair to compare LE and TDM versions. One was geared towards home users, while the other big music and post production studios. You know, facilities that NEED 192 channels of I/O at one time. Now tell me, how much did you pay for Sonar or Cubase SX? $600?? Did you get any hardware with that? No? Well...go ahead and find a decent 18 channel I/O and tell me how much that totaled for you. Well...we got the MOTU....oops, that's 800. Already over the 002 limit. We got the Firepod...but that's only 10 channels of I/O isn't it? Well shit, i'm stumped. And luckily little Johnny paid a little extra for the 002 control surface. 'Cause his new product acts like a stand alone mixer too!!!
Three things all in one unit???!!?!Look, i think we kinda hijacked 43% thread in getting into a "why Pro Tools is better" discussion (oh wait...wasn't that the conclusion we just came to?)
Anyway, Green Hornet's right. no matter what you choose, you'll have some sort of learning curve ahead of you and it all depends on what kind of person you are and how well you learn things. so in otherwords...just pick a system and start recording! that's the best way you're going to learn. and just thank god that you're even able to use a software program to record and you're not doing it on 2" tape. people back then just accepted what they had and were glad to even do multitrack (although I bet there were fights over what format of tape to use or how to properly set the azimuth of the head
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