Guernica
Active member
........Dude.....get the fuck outta here...
You are gettin soooo robbed out there. .........Damn, Im laughin!!!!!(also laying the groundwork for musical debate
)g
........Dude.....get the fuck outta here...
You are gettin soooo robbed out there. .........Damn, Im laughin!!!!!(also laying the groundwork for musical debate
)g
mixmkr
we don't need rest!!
no kiddin'!! Let's see....a fist full of joints or another electric guitar....hhhmmm 6 joints or a J-station.... hhhmmm..that one will divide the house!!!
I could almost say...damn...two fist fulls of joints or my car
Sam....you need a greenhouse, big time!!
I could almost say...damn...two fist fulls of joints or my car
Sam....you need a greenhouse, big time!!
mixmkr
we don't need rest!!
B.SABBATH said:
quit plumbing and went into billboard advertising, did ya?
Kramer
Well-known member
B.SABBATH said:
Those are the words of a man who sincerely loves Mary Jane.
mixmkr
we don't need rest!!
dang Kramer....that sentence "hit" you too...eh? Popped out like a wedding dick to me!!!
Popped out like a wedding dick to me!!!
Kramer
Well-known member
ol sam has a way with words describing his weed.
I used to love it with the same passion myself.
jeap
Banned
we cant help it if we liked your shitty song.
it certainly was "different".
it was fun commenting and i thought i made it clear that "toe-tapping radio ready" or whatever i said was tongue-in-cheek.
you couldnt dance to that crap if your life depended on it!!!
i really did like the dog barking.
i may never have the guts to collaborate. it seems kinda rough. somehow i thought you would put the whole mix in your own recorder and add your own tracks and then pass it back.
getting a cd with all the drums on seperate tracks sounds impossible.
im glad somebody else echoed that the snare sounds good and it sounds like a confident drummer is playing it. that really was my impression. i know from listening to my own drumming what a really inconsistent drummer sounds like!
i think the drummer should get everything to put in his recorder or computer and then he can make it right. the drums are THE critical thing for timing.
i guess i just dont understand how this could have been put together right...
it certainly was "different".
it was fun commenting and i thought i made it clear that "toe-tapping radio ready" or whatever i said was tongue-in-cheek.
you couldnt dance to that crap if your life depended on it!!!
i really did like the dog barking.
i may never have the guts to collaborate. it seems kinda rough. somehow i thought you would put the whole mix in your own recorder and add your own tracks and then pass it back.
getting a cd with all the drums on seperate tracks sounds impossible.
im glad somebody else echoed that the snare sounds good and it sounds like a confident drummer is playing it. that really was my impression. i know from listening to my own drumming what a really inconsistent drummer sounds like!
i think the drummer should get everything to put in his recorder or computer and then he can make it right. the drums are THE critical thing for timing.
i guess i just dont understand how this could have been put together right...
F
Flash
New member
Wow, Holy Shit. Foot tappin'. Dancin' on the floor I have good woman bad cranked up to the max I'm not sure where this thread is going but Al, I just had to say this is some good stuff. Sorry I've been away for awhile but, I never quit playing your stuff. Everyone gets the blues now and then.
I have good woman bad cranked up to the max I'm not sure where this thread is going but Al, I just had to say this is some good stuff. Sorry I've been away for awhile but, I never quit playing your stuff. Everyone gets the blues now and then.
boydrj
New member
Haven't read any of the comments here, so I may repeat something ...
Alright, another great collaboration! These internet collaborations are really really cool!
Excellent singing and the playing is top notch!
One thing I kind of noticed is that the drums seem to kind of lag in a few places ... kind of like they are not right on the beat ... maybe it is just me, don't know ...
I really like Lt. Bob's contribution! Nice horn sound and good tune!
Thanks for the listen
Alright, another great collaboration! These internet collaborations are really really cool!
Excellent singing and the playing is top notch!
One thing I kind of noticed is that the drums seem to kind of lag in a few places ... kind of like they are not right on the beat ... maybe it is just me, don't know ...
I really like Lt. Bob's contribution! Nice horn sound and good tune!
Thanks for the listen
M
M.Brane
New member
Daaaaamn!
Another reason I'm glad I quit that stuff.I guess $12 for a pack of cigs and a six pack of good ale ain't so bad after all.
T
theron
New member
Hey Crawdad and company,
I'm stepping in way late and havn't read a word of the other comments.
This colab kicks ass. I don't see how it couldn't but, still.........it does.
"longing for the day that ignorance was bliss"= great lyric and set up.
I thought the git fills could be nudged down a bit before the git slolo around 2:20 and let the rhythm piano carry it till then but that is just me and the playing was excelent so it doesn't disturb the ear (it's an opinion/production thang)
Very glad I made time to listen. You're one talented MOFO!!
Peace and progress,
Theron.
I'm stepping in way late and havn't read a word of the other comments.
This colab kicks ass. I don't see how it couldn't but, still.........it does.
"longing for the day that ignorance was bliss"= great lyric and set up.
I thought the git fills could be nudged down a bit before the git slolo around 2:20 and let the rhythm piano carry it till then but that is just me and the playing was excelent so it doesn't disturb the ear (it's an opinion/production thang)
Very glad I made time to listen. You're one talented MOFO!!
Peace and progress,
Theron.
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
jeap said:
LMAO!!!
As for doing the drum tracks.....I think the way to go would be to have the drummer send a stereo mix of the drums. You wouldn't need the rhytm track back....just the syncing click and then nothing but the drums in stereo. If they're recorded good....that should be enough. Maybe send the bass drum seperate but no more thanthat. It would be so much easier.
Kramer
Well-known member
Lt. Bob said:
I dont think people realize how experimental this thing is.You guys are paving new highways for the rest of us!
When you all get it figured out we'll have the benefit of knowing what "not" to do if we decide to venture into Collab land.
drstawl
Banned
I've had a chance to listen to this about 8 times while reading the three pages of comments.
First off, while a very overused chord progression formed the basis of this tune you kept it fresh with your vocals and tasty lead guitar.
The Lt. added some very nice horn fills, especially that build up between 1:38 and 1:42. Did you get that low sound out (two notes around 0:55) of a tenor? It sounded very Motown!
As to the much discussed drum track. I thought it was solid for the most part- I really only heard a couple of hits that caused me to raise an eyebrow. So I think that most of the whining is nitpicking. Hey- this place is all about nitpicking when you a do a job this nice, eh? My main complaint with the drums was the same one I had about Eric's drums tracks on his own stuff. A little too NOT flashy. Like he was purposely avoiding any kind of fill that might clash with the overall flavor. Perhaps approriate for a collaboration setting, I just thought it was too conservative.
But then again: consider the source.
Again, nice job and I hope this sparks alot more folks to get off their ass and do this.
hehe: note to Sam: he said, "Sparks" HAHAHA.
Here's a tip as to media issues. Haven't actually tried it in a collaboration setting, but those mini-CDRs hold 180MB, are pretty cheap in spindles and can be mailed in a regular letter envelope for a single first class stamp. So you save on the CD mailer and on the postage. Plus they're just so damn CUTE!
First off, while a very overused chord progression formed the basis of this tune you kept it fresh with your vocals and tasty lead guitar.
The Lt. added some very nice horn fills, especially that build up between 1:38 and 1:42. Did you get that low sound out (two notes around 0:55) of a tenor? It sounded very Motown!
As to the much discussed drum track. I thought it was solid for the most part- I really only heard a couple of hits that caused me to raise an eyebrow. So I think that most of the whining is nitpicking. Hey- this place is all about nitpicking when you a do a job this nice, eh? My main complaint with the drums was the same one I had about Eric's drums tracks on his own stuff. A little too NOT flashy. Like he was purposely avoiding any kind of fill that might clash with the overall flavor. Perhaps approriate for a collaboration setting, I just thought it was too conservative.
But then again: consider the source.
Again, nice job and I hope this sparks alot more folks to get off their ass and do this.
hehe: note to Sam: he said, "Sparks" HAHAHA.
Here's a tip as to media issues. Haven't actually tried it in a collaboration setting, but those mini-CDRs hold 180MB, are pretty cheap in spindles and can be mailed in a regular letter envelope for a single first class stamp. So you save on the CD mailer and on the postage. Plus they're just so damn CUTE!
chrisharris
King of Bling
Tunes
sheesh Crawdad...I go out of town for 2 nights to play a couple of shows, and you go and post 1/2 an album. -
Coooool
Okay...here's why nobody should ever listen to anything I say about drums (not that they would...but just in case I should ever think I know something about 'em in the future, remind me of this thread) - I can't even hear that they're out of sync. I confess...I'm rhythmically retarded. Man, they SOUND great...I guess they're all out of sync??? I'm sorry for saying something nice about the drummer/or the engineer or the people who created MP3 technology, but they sound Great (I did hear some weirdness on the hat (or ride?? - like I'd know the difference) at the very beginning...and that last crash...but that's DEFINITELY encoder stuff, because you just can't create that sound on purpose. I can't hear it in the body of the song, even after the git break. WOW, that's more than I've ever commented on any drums ever.
Lt.Bob - My favorite addition is the... (and I KNOW I'll screw this up), but the "growling" low sax parts. You know what I'm talking about, right? I sincerely hope that you played them, because if those are some samples left in from the previous version, well...just don't tell me. After your last work, I expected your horns to sound good, but they were tastefully selective and well planned too. Cool To You...really.
Crawdad - Your tune STILL sucks...I'll meet YOU in the cave!!!
But seriously, your original post of this song is what inspired me to TRY to write a blues(ish) tune, so I did that (stealing a couple of your lines, of course); so I ripped off your genre, then I used your words to try to do it, and NOW I'm stealing your horn player too (Wed...Lt.Bob...don't be late!! - or, be late if you need to...the song ain't goin' out without you). Man, with all the "borrowing" I'm doing from you, Crawdad, people are gonna' start thinking that you're trolling as ME . All 3 of the new tunes are cool, and very professionally recorded (as expected)...but to me, "Handgun" clearly stands out as my favorite...It's a killer combination of self-indulgent guitar work and fresh lyrics. Are you really trying to tell me you won't be laughing when you're dead??? I'll be laughing my ass off (no job, no bills, no women shooting at me ) Now, if you'd just used about a week and a half of delay, like me, then you could have covered up a ton of those offkey bends and knuckle flubs that...oh wait, that's me...YOURS IS PERFECT...I'll even let you get away with the finger tapping...for now. Dirty rhythm git could come up some for my taste. It's a perfect tone for this tune...let it be heard - (well I had to say SOMETHING critical).
I'm not ignoring the other 2 tunes...but this post is long already. I'll get back to you on the last 2, because I know that you can't feel like they're "done" without my approval. (ummm...just in case, that was a joke - you wouldn't believe how rude I can be when I'm not trying).
Yeah, this is a long post, because the collaboration obviously involved a lot of work, and I guess ya'll have some more in front of you still...(man, I am TOTALLY getting a complex here abuot the drums, because I was LISTENING for them to be off, and I STILL can't hear it.
(btw - did you know that you saved the file as "Handgun_cleaned" ? Just struck me as funny...
CLEANING YOUR GUNS, ARE YOU CRAWDAD? MEET ME IN THE CAVE!!!).
-chris
sheesh Crawdad...I go out of town for 2 nights to play a couple of shows, and you go and post 1/2 an album.
- Coooool
Okay...here's why nobody should ever listen to anything I say about drums (not that they would...but just in case I should ever think I know something about 'em in the future, remind me of this thread) - I can't even hear that they're out of sync. I confess...I'm rhythmically retarded. Man, they SOUND great...I guess they're all out of sync??? I'm sorry for saying something nice about the drummer/or the engineer or the people who created MP3 technology, but they sound Great (I did hear some weirdness on the hat (or ride?? - like I'd know the difference) at the very beginning...and that last crash...but that's DEFINITELY encoder stuff, because you just can't create that sound on purpose. I can't hear it in the body of the song, even after the git break. WOW, that's more than I've ever commented on any drums ever.
Lt.Bob - My favorite addition is the... (and I KNOW I'll screw this up), but the "growling" low sax parts. You know what I'm talking about, right? I sincerely hope that you played them, because if those are some samples left in from the previous version, well...just don't tell me. After your last work, I expected your horns to sound good, but they were tastefully selective and well planned too. Cool To You...really.
Crawdad - Your tune STILL sucks...I'll meet YOU in the cave!!!
But seriously, your original post of this song is what inspired me to TRY to write a blues(ish) tune, so I did that (stealing a couple of your lines, of course); so I ripped off your genre, then I used your words to try to do it, and NOW I'm stealing your horn player too (Wed...Lt.Bob...don't be late!!
- or, be late if you need to...the song ain't goin' out without you). Man, with all the "borrowing" I'm doing from you, Crawdad, people are gonna' start thinking that you're trolling as ME . All 3 of the new tunes are cool, and very professionally recorded (as expected)...but to me, "Handgun" clearly stands out as my favorite...It's a killer combination of self-indulgent guitar work and fresh lyrics. Are you really trying to tell me you won't be laughing when you're dead??? I'll be laughing my ass off (no job, no bills, no women shooting at me ) Now, if you'd just used about a week and a half of delay, like me, then you could have covered up a ton of those offkey bends and knuckle flubs that...oh wait, that's me...YOURS IS PERFECT...I'll even let you get away with the finger tapping...for now. Dirty rhythm git could come up some for my taste. It's a perfect tone for this tune...let it be heard - (well I had to say SOMETHING critical).I'm not ignoring the other 2 tunes...but this post is long already. I'll get back to you on the last 2, because I know that you can't feel like they're "done" without my approval.
(ummm...just in case, that was a joke - you wouldn't believe how rude I can be when I'm not trying).Yeah, this is a long post, because the collaboration obviously involved a lot of work, and I guess ya'll have some more in front of you still...(man, I am TOTALLY getting a complex here abuot the drums, because I was LISTENING for them to be off, and I STILL can't hear it.
(btw - did you know that you saved the file as "Handgun_cleaned" ? Just struck me as funny...
CLEANING YOUR GUNS, ARE YOU CRAWDAD? MEET ME IN THE CAVE!!!).
-chris
chrisharris
King of Bling
WELL THANK GOD!!! Hehehe...I started my post before this one was in...would have saved me some grief.drstawl said:
fenderlikingood
New member
good stuff guy's!!!!!!! collab's rule!! i love it when i see them. i really enjoyed it.
thanks
peace
rick
thanks
peace
rick
crawdad
Dammit, Jim, Shut Up!
One of these days, when i get done with commenting on this, I will fix erics drums and submit version 4, but there are a number of things i wish to reply to and some i just won't have time to cover, but here goes. (can this guy write a run on sentence or what!)
B. Sabbath--I missed something a while back. You said "picture how Blue Bear might have worded it." He may be blunt, but I think he would have nailed the timing issue as recording problem. He would not have made a personal attack on the player. There IS a difference--and Blue doesn't show his fangs unless he's really provoked! My opinion.
Mixmkr--yes, it all comes down to ears! Unfortunately mine wer preoccupied on other aspects of the mix, so i gotta go back. "Honest, officer, my speedometer said 50 mph!"
And I don't impose a code of conduct on Christians, believe me. I do expect to come in here and treat others with some respect. While I would like that in return, I can't expect it--especially with the nature of the internet, as you mentioned.
I don't want it to be a clique here either. It works best as an open forum. If people are intimidated by a "regular" member group, that ruins it. And, I agree that the MP3 forum is the heart of the BBS, at least potentially. Potentially, because there are loads of folks who discuss microphones and preamps and rack this and that who never post one scrap of sonic evidence in the MP3 forum. I'd like to see Mr. Hyatt (for example) post an MP3 of his mic pre comparisons or a session with the C3 or something, ya know. Thats part of what the MP3 clinic is for. I'll have to ask him, I guess, eh?
Bong Bros Inc--I do NOT wish to start another debate. OK? I just found it hilariously ironic that I post a song which is anti-drug in nature and the thread ends up discussing the best bongs and weed! My cryptic lyric refers to a number of routes I explored in trying to find spiritual release and serenity, including drugs, self proclaimed "religions" and finally, coming to the conclusion that I should look to my own soul for all I need. I neither judge nor condemn what anybody else does 'cause we are all different. I did find it wryly humorous though! (Another thread: best dope stories. Note; for the cave someday)
Jeap/Kramer--what we are trying to do with the collabs is NOT impossible, but there are still some things to explore. I think the file start of 1/1/000 is a key. Now, if you add a plug in that causes some latency (gee, I think I have been there), then it changes the automatic-ness of it all. Thats where ears DO come into play, like Mxmkr says.
Flash--Its guys like you who feed my soul and make this all worthwhile. i sincerely mean that, and thank you for listening! yeah, we do get the blues sometimes and the music really helps!
Theron--and you, my friend, I am learning--are a true brother in spirit. You have my respect to the heavens. And its not becasue you love the tune--its because you are real and honest. Thank you none the less.
drstawl--that mini CD idea is a GREAT one! i've never tried to burn one, but I suppose its the same as burning a regular sized one. Also, I hear you about eric--he's a minimalist of sorts. He did one track and I said I need more fills--more flash! He added some of that, but I think he believes on the groove. Speaking of eric, I gotta e-mail him. He's been conspicuous by his absence and I hope he will forgive me for my errors.
chris harris--how in the world do I reply to all you've said? You are too damn funny! Your post had me laughing and feeling good. See, that's why we need you here--even if you are me or jamal or whoever in disguise! I'll send you an e-mail answering your questions, etc.
fenderlickingood-Thanks for the comments and I am glad you enjoyed the tune. I swear on my heart that I'll get a final flawless version of this up--no matter how many years it takes.
Last thought: This is what is really hard for me in mixing--switching from the microscopic view (how's the balance/tone of the snare, guitar, bass, etc) to the sub mix view: are the kick and bass working together, is the register of the piano/guitar combo giving each other space--is the vocal intelligible at every point. Finally to the overall view--Does the mix sound great? Is everything working as a whole? Is thelow/mid/high balance proportional? is there enough compression/ too much? Are the effects "right" for the intended space? ETC ETC ETC!
Its a balancing act in perception and being able to shift modes of perception. I think the big time mixers have a routine, just like Tiger Woods has when he makes a putt. I'm getting there, but I still have some areas to address. This whole thread has helped me a lot. My sincere thanks to all of you--especially Lt. Bob and Erichenryus. V4 is next...
B. Sabbath--I missed something a while back. You said "picture how Blue Bear might have worded it." He may be blunt
, but I think he would have nailed the timing issue as recording problem. He would not have made a personal attack on the player. There IS a difference--and Blue doesn't show his fangs unless he's really provoked! My opinion.Mixmkr--yes, it all comes down to ears! Unfortunately mine wer preoccupied on other aspects of the mix, so i gotta go back. "Honest, officer, my speedometer said 50 mph!"
And I don't impose a code of conduct on Christians, believe me. I do expect to come in here and treat others with some respect. While I would like that in return, I can't expect it--especially with the nature of the internet, as you mentioned.
I don't want it to be a clique here either. It works best as an open forum. If people are intimidated by a "regular" member group, that ruins it. And, I agree that the MP3 forum is the heart of the BBS, at least potentially. Potentially, because there are loads of folks who discuss microphones and preamps and rack this and that who never post one scrap of sonic evidence in the MP3 forum. I'd like to see Mr. Hyatt (for example) post an MP3 of his mic pre comparisons or a session with the C3 or something, ya know. Thats part of what the MP3 clinic is for. I'll have to ask him, I guess, eh?
Bong Bros Inc--I do NOT wish to start another debate. OK? I just found it hilariously ironic that I post a song which is anti-drug in nature and the thread ends up discussing the best bongs and weed! My cryptic lyric refers to a number of routes I explored in trying to find spiritual release and serenity, including drugs, self proclaimed "religions" and finally, coming to the conclusion that I should look to my own soul for all I need. I neither judge nor condemn what anybody else does 'cause we are all different. I did find it wryly humorous though! (Another thread: best dope stories. Note; for the cave someday)
Jeap/Kramer--what we are trying to do with the collabs is NOT impossible, but there are still some things to explore. I think the file start of 1/1/000 is a key. Now, if you add a plug in that causes some latency (gee, I think I have been there), then it changes the automatic-ness of it all. Thats where ears DO come into play, like Mxmkr says.
Flash--Its guys like you who feed my soul and make this all worthwhile. i sincerely mean that, and thank you for listening! yeah, we do get the blues sometimes and the music really helps!
Theron--and you, my friend, I am learning--are a true brother in spirit. You have my respect to the heavens. And its not becasue you love the tune--its because you are real and honest. Thank you none the less.
drstawl--that mini CD idea is a GREAT one! i've never tried to burn one, but I suppose its the same as burning a regular sized one. Also, I hear you about eric--he's a minimalist of sorts. He did one track and I said I need more fills--more flash! He added some of that, but I think he believes on the groove. Speaking of eric, I gotta e-mail him. He's been conspicuous by his absence and I hope he will forgive me for my errors.
chris harris--how in the world do I reply to all you've said? You are too damn funny! Your post had me laughing and feeling good. See, that's why we need you here--even if you are me or jamal or whoever in disguise! I'll send you an e-mail answering your questions, etc.
fenderlickingood-Thanks for the comments and I am glad you enjoyed the tune. I swear on my heart that I'll get a final flawless version of this up--no matter how many years it takes.
Last thought: This is what is really hard for me in mixing--switching from the microscopic view (how's the balance/tone of the snare, guitar, bass, etc) to the sub mix view: are the kick and bass working together, is the register of the piano/guitar combo giving each other space--is the vocal intelligible at every point. Finally to the overall view--Does the mix sound great? Is everything working as a whole? Is thelow/mid/high balance proportional? is there enough compression/ too much? Are the effects "right" for the intended space? ETC ETC ETC!
Its a balancing act in perception and being able to shift modes of perception. I think the big time mixers have a routine, just like Tiger Woods has when he makes a putt. I'm getting there, but I still have some areas to address. This whole thread has helped me a lot. My sincere thanks to all of you--especially Lt. Bob and Erichenryus. V4 is next...
VOXVENDOR
New member
This song is definately worth the work and wait.crawdad said:
Joe
chrisharris
King of Bling
Okay, dammit...for the last time...I'm not Crawdad.crawdad said:
(Al, just posting to let you know that I got a pretty cool birthday gift today - "The Craft Of Lyric Writing, by Sheila Davis." Thanks for the tip).
-Chris (whoever thinks I'm Jamal is braindead) Harris