Crawdad, Erichenryus and Lt. Bob Collab

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Nobody on this collab needs to be on the defense. One asshole-like comment can be ignored. This is music, not politics and you guys should be extremely proud. We're looking UP to you. Put it this way, I've already forgotten that guy's name....

(This is what happens when you put the internet in high schools. :D )
 
Al (and Lt. Bob and Eric...) -

This song is absolutely amazing. First grade quality.
I really enjoyed listening to it.

Oren
 
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<i>That serves no purpose--it doesn't offer a solution for improvement. And thats what the MP3 clinic is for--to "heal" our flaws and mistakes. OK. Enuff said--probably too much.
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LOL.
 
I just know I'm going to hear it for this one, and I'm not trying to start anything, but IMHOP you guys are being waaaaayy too hard on kjam22..


I don't think he said anything over the top.. I think back to when I posted an acoustic song and mixmkr said, "hey Sab, this song kinda sucks." I immediately took it off Nowhere.. I realize now I shouldn't have, but I didn't get mad at his comments..


Picture how Blue Bear might have worded it :eek:


Friendships aside, I hope the clinic doesn't reach a point where a person can only comment if they have something positive to say..


imhop, that would defeat the whole purpose..



I don't think he was being a troll or anything.. Those lines are clearly drawn, and I don't think he stepped over them..
 
Point taken sam...you're right, of course....we have to be able to comment on things that we think are wrong with a tune or we'll be missing one of the most valuable parts of this board.

But, although I didn't find Kjam's post to be quite "over the top,"...he could have said the same thing a bit nicer without diluting the message. I have pretty thick skin but some people need a softer comment than others and it doesn't hurt anyone to choose their words with that in mind.

As for crawdad's reaction......I think he was just frustrated because the problem has to do with the syncing process and can be fixed. Once it is I believe it will be a moment of learning for us all when we see this facet of dealing with collabs come to light. I don't think those of us that haven't dealt with this long-range collaboration and syncing process really quite understand what's involved. There haven't been a lot of collabs going on 'till recently and the process for getting multiple parts together is still being perfected so there's bound to be glitches along the way. Crawdad can definitely take critisism well but he was just feeling protective of someone that he thought was getting flak for what was a mistake of crawdad's. I'm sure he'd be the first to tell you that he wants to know the good and the bad.

BTW crawdad.....I beat you to 800 :) You used to have about 50 more posts than me. You've been slacking.......better get busy!! :D
 
I hear you Lt., and I really hope no one takes what I said the wrong way..


This sync issue is the exact reason why I don't like to collaborate that way.. I know it's a slight error, but I had the exact same problem when I tried it.. 320 mp3 for me please.. :D


All due respect to the fine musicians in this collab..


I just think we all (myself included) need to decrease the sensitivity.. and we should not take honest comments as a personal attack because he didn't address anything but the music, and he may not know the proper etiquette (?), but at least he listened and commented.. He said the drums were off, and for whatever reason, they are..

I do look forward to hearing the next version..




love ya guys! :D (please don't kill me)
 
SLuiCe said:
Nobody on this collab needs to be on the defense. One asshole-like comment can be ignored. This is music, not politics and you guys should be extremely proud. We're looking UP to you. Put it this way, I've already forgotten that guy's name....

(This is what happens when you put the internet in high schools. :D )
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LOL.....I would guess that I'm older than you. Anyway... I'm old enough to recognize (hear) when drums aren't in time. I don't need to examine a wav file, or whatever. I'm old enough that I record music the old fashioned way. I play it, instead of cutting and pasting it.

But hey that's me....... lots of people make good stuff with the cut and paste button. And I'm sure lots of his stuff is really good. I'm just trying to figure out who puts a song out for people to evaluate that isn't synced right? I would understand if he said ... gee... I'm still mixing and I've got a sync problem. But there was no indication that he really knew it wasn't right. I mean.... the screen said the snare was on 2 and 4 right????

Here's my opinion. Music is about listening. It's about hearing. It's about sound. It always has been, and it always will be. We should all trust our ears first when we evaluate music.

Sorry if I'm harsh. Grow up and deal with it.

LOL

I know, I know ... time for a group hug :)
 
hey kjam22,

just so you know, SLuiCe posts some of the most serious music on this board..

Check it out!
 
B.SABBATH said:
I hear you Lt., and I really hope no one takes what I said the wrong way..


This sync issue is the exact reason why I don't like to collaborate that way.. I know it's a slight error, but I had the exact same problem when I tried it.. 320 mp3 for me please.. :D


All due respect to the fine musicians in this collab..


I just think we all (myself included) need to decrease the sensitivity.. and we should not take honest comments as a personal attack because he didn't address anything but the music, and he may not know the proper etiquette (?), but at least he listened and commented.. He said the drums were off, and for whatever reason, they are..


Thanks for your comments. And I apologize to all that I may have offended. Here's your chance to get even. I've a got a song out there for evaluation as well. No one has responded to it. Give me your best shot. I'm jaded enough that I promise you won't hurt my feelings.

Best wishes
I do look forward to hearing the next version..




love ya guys! :D (please don't kill me)
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I apologize to all that I may have offended.

Here's your chance to get even :) I've got a song out there myself that no one has commented on. Give me your best shot. I'm jaded enough that I promise you can't hurt my feelings.

Later
 
Aren- I was just making a sick 7-in-the-morning joke on the typo. I didn't actually expect everyone to get it, and should have probably left it alone. It wasn't meant as a jab or anything. I'm awake now :D . My apologies to you.

Sam- Your point is well taken. But there has been way tooooo much school boy mud slinging going on here, and I'd hate to see fine musicians walk because the board becomes immature. (ie., posting under multiple nicknames, etc....). "Lose the drummer" etc is not at all productive, and I try to stay out of this sort of thing, but it's important for Erich to know (I think) that this guy was just flapping his gums without any constructive thought. He shits on the drummer, then apologizes to Crawdad for shitting on the drummer, then he shits on Crawdad for not noticing what he ASSUMES is bad drumming.

Maybe I'm out of line, but I love this place, and don't want to see it go to shit with flame wars on people's MP3 threads.

Having said that, sorry for the interruption guys.

Again, great piece of music.

(OK, back into my cave....)
 
>>I think he was just frustrated because the problem has to do with the syncing process and can be fixed. Once it is I believe it will be a moment of learning for us all when we see this facet of dealing with collabs come to light. I don't think those of us that haven't dealt with this long-range collaboration and syncing process really quite understand what's involved.

>>This sync issue is the exact reason why I don't like to collaborate that way.. I know it's a slight error, but I had the exact same problem when I tried it.. 320 mp3 for me please..


Not sure this will help anyone here. I've enjoyed doing quite a few online collaborations. It seems MP3 isn't the prefered way to exchange sound files, because by nature it inserts a slight delay into the file ahead of the music, and that stays when it's converted back to wav. Much more difficult to sync.

Most of the places that specialize in collaborations, use WMA files just for this reason. If broadband is available to all the parties, then Monkey Audio files, called .APE are used. (they are kinda large, but VERY high quality results. Once uncompressed with the monkey audio decoder, they are almost exactly the same as the original track (16 bit only, but is good enough for most collabs) High quality WMA files work pretty well though, and is more reliable than MP3 for timing, according to people who have studied the differences.

I know of an article on the MP3 issues, if anyone wants to read it, I can probably dig up a link to it.

Great job guys. Awesome song! Sorry for getting OT.
 
SLuiCe said:
Aren- I was just making a sick 7-in-the-morning joke on the typo. I didn't actually expect everyone to get it, and should have probably left it alone. It wasn't meant as a jab or anything. I'm awake now :D . My apologies to you.

Sam- Your point is well taken. But there has been way tooooo much school boy mud slinging going on here, and I'd hate to see fine musicians walk because the board becomes immature. (ie., posting under multiple nicknames, etc....). "Lose the drummer" etc is not at all productive, and I try to stay out of this sort of thing, but it's important for Erich to know (I think) that this guy was just flapping his gums without any constructive thought. He shits on the drummer, then apologizes to Crawdad for shitting on the drummer, then he shits on Crawdad for not noticing what he ASSUMES is bad drumming.

Maybe I'm out of line, but I love this place, and don't want to see it go to shit with flame wars on people's MP3 threads.

Having said that, sorry for the interruption guys.

Again, great piece of music.

(OK, back into my cave....)
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Gees.... In my first post I said good song, decent guitar, said I liked the song. Said good sound. And said drummer was not good. Get a grip. And turn the light on when you get back in your cave.
 
TomD said:
>>I think he was just frustrated because the problem has to do with the syncing process and can be fixed. Once it is I believe it will be a moment of learning for us all when we see this facet of dealing with collabs come to light. I don't think those of us that haven't dealt with this long-range collaboration and syncing process really quite understand what's involved.

>>This sync issue is the exact reason why I don't like to collaborate that way.. I know it's a slight error, but I had the exact same problem when I tried it.. 320 mp3 for me please..


Not sure this will help anyone here. I've enjoyed doing quite a few online collaborations. It seems MP3 isn't the prefered way to exchange sound files, because by nature it inserts a slight delay into the file ahead of the music, and that stays when it's converted back to wav. Much more difficult to sync.

Most of the places that specialize in collaborations, use WMA files just for this reason. If broadband is available to all the parties, then Monkey Audio files, called .APE are used. (they are kinda large, but VERY high quality results. Once uncompressed with the monkey audio decoder, they are almost exactly the same as the original track (16 bit only, but is good enough for most collabs) High quality WMA files work pretty well though, and is more reliable than MP3 for timing, according to people who have studied the differences.

I know of an article on the MP3 issues, if anyone wants to read it, I can probably dig up a link to it.

Great job guys. Awesome song! Sorry for getting OT.
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I would love to see that article Tom. I just finished an online collab and that might explain the sync issues I had with the singer. I had to manually go in and move words/phrases around.
 
why didnt i get credit for playing the drums? :confused:

actually the timing is too good to be my playing ha ha ha. :)

ok stop laughing!!!!

i think the highlight is the guitar playing and the horns are a very close second! they sound like horns!!!

:)
 
ok i went back and read all the previous comments.

i didnt know who played the drums or anything.

all i knew is there was something a little off.

dont hurt me!!!!

i want to say that it seemed to me like the whole thing was ok except for the fills started late.

was there cutting and pasting of the drum part?

the drums sounded good and the drumming sounded solid. like a confident drummer. until the first fill i wouldnt have noticed anything.

i saw a comment about the drums before i listened so i was concentrating on the snare.

for whatever its worth.

how about a version 4?

:)
 
kjam22 said:

Gees.... In my first post I said good song, decent guitar, said I liked the song. Said good sound. And said drummer was not good. Get a grip. And turn the light on when you get back in your cave.
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Actually in your first post you said "get rid of the drummer" which is a little bit snottier than just saying he wasn't good. And you said it after every other sentence. Once would have been sufficient....3 or 4 times starts to get insulting. And then when people suggest that you could have gone a bit lighter on that.....you copped the same defensive attitude that you critisize in others. You're right....if crawdad thought the drums had a sync problem he should have waited to post it but you have no knowledge of who's a good player and who's not here and you have no more reason to get bent out of shape than they do.

BTW....I'm probably older than you and there was no cut and paste used in this song. The syncing that's being talked about is in the process of getting tracks from someone across the country into your master mix so they can be inserted into the song....absolutely no cut and paste whatsoever. And I can guaruntee you that crawdad and I, at least, have been doing this the old-fashioned way just like you and just as long.
 
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