vestast
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Funny - The guy has 2 posts. In his first post He's the one asking for a crack !
https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=1131163#post1131163
https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=1131163#post1131163
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boingoman
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Well, he's had all day and it looks like he found one....and has no problem sharing it.vestast said:
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Toker41
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Didn't say it was, or wasn't ok. I stated that I fully understand why it drives people to pirate it, and at a price of $700 theft should be (and is) expected. Nowhere did I say anything about it being ok. At $40, however, it should be less expected, and less tolerated by those (us) that benefit from it's desire to remain reasonably priced.Teej said:
I am not the bad guy here.
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boingoman
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Toker41 said:
No, but you seem to be saying it's more OK or more understandable to steal something because it's expensive. And that somehow pirating n-tracks is somehow more offensive.
And if someone feels something is too expensive, buy something cheaper. As you point out, the options are out there. They aren't getting ripped off. You only get ripped off by spending money and not getting what you paid for, or by someone stealing from you.
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Hopefully the codes are bogus, but none the less .... Some people just need to disappear from the face of the earth.
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larenga89 said:
May you roast in the coals of hell that any just God is preparing for you as you pirate this generously given software.
I have no more words without resorting to profanities.
Phuck off.
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Even though I know a ton of people here don't like Pro Tools that much....funny thing is Digi seems to be on the right track as far as making software anti-pirateable (is that a word??? oh well).
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boingoman said:
Nope, didn't say the either. It's a simple fact of business that when it come to software of that price (note that I do not say "value") that a certain amount of piracy needs to be considered as a factor in the bottom line. Any High School level business major can tell you that. If for no other reason (and there are many reasons), than the fact that there are "hackers" out there that will crack it just because it cost so much, when they really have no use for it at all. "Thrill of the Hunt" so to speak.
What I find offensive ( and this is the only part of my statement that was opinion, so stop reading things into it) is that here comes the creator of N-Track, and he seems to feel like a lot of us do....that it can be done cheaper, and more personal. The guy seems to be honestly doing everything he can to keep it cheap. Not every artist has money. $700 is a lot of money for some people.....
Life does not always give the same opportunities to everybody. However, $40 isn't that much. Hackers don't really come into play as much (although, still a factor). So yes, I feel more offended when some steps on the little guy.
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gordone
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I think what he is saying is I walk into a parking lot and I can "steal" whatever car I want, would I take the Yugo or the Porsche? Ok, maybe not the best comparison because I don't want to call N-Track the Yugo of DAW SW 
To larenga89 - Get a life/job/off our board!!!! You're an idiot!!!! If you can't afford $40, you shouldn't be recording/playing music. Oh, I can't afford $12 for a set of strings, I'll just steal them from the music store
To larenga89 - Get a life/job/off our board!!!! You're an idiot!!!! If you can't afford $40, you shouldn't be recording/playing music. Oh, I can't afford $12 for a set of strings, I'll just steal them from the music store
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Toker41 said:
Value is a matter of opinion as well. The guy shelling out $10,000 for a pro tools set-up would find $700 to be a major value.
I'd kinda like to see what piracy adds to the bottom line. And how much attempying to make their program secure adds to the bottom line.
So what happens if n-tracks hacks make the price go up? Or cause him to decide it's not worth it? Or he needs an advertising budget? Or needs to hire customer service people? Or a lot of things that happen when you grow. And, at what point, in your opinion, does he become a "big guy"? What sales figure? what price point does it become overpriced? And do you then move to defend the next under dog? And leave n-tracks to fend for themselves? Not arguing, just asking.
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larenga89
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The funny thing is I just got in Kazaa my N track studio for free.
I have the $ 40 bucks, I just didnt want to spend it on a soft. My Gibson Les Paul Studio cost way more than that.
Please all relax!
I have the $ 40 bucks, I just didnt want to spend it on a soft. My Gibson Les Paul Studio cost way more than that.
Please all relax!
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boingoman
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I think what he is saying is I walk into a parking lot and I can "steal" whatever car I want, would I take the Yugo or the Porsche? Ok, maybe not the best comparison because I don't want to call N-Track the Yugo of DAW SW
No, he's saying it makes him madder when someone steals a Yugo, for some reason. Oh, right, underdog, blah, blah, blah. But everyone was an underdog once. Even Porsche. Even Steinberg. They got big by making a good product.
And that analogy only works if you take cars from the factory, before they have been sold. Hackers make it hard on everyone, big or small. He's allowed to be madder at the small guy getting ripped off- it's the way he feels. I'd still like to know at what point his feelings change from anger for the small guy to "that's the way business is." To me, it gets me angry no matter who gets ripped off. Especially since I'm going to have to pay for it somehow, either by increased prices, or like the n-tracks I just purchased, risk of piracy driving a small guy out of business.
Founded in 1984 by engineer Karl Steinberg and keyboard musician Manfred Rürup in Hamburg, Germany, the company released its first product, the Pro-16, 16-track MIDI sequencer for the Commodore C-64 platform in that year.
Two underdogs at the cutting edge of a new technology, just trying to make the music world better. And luckily, no internet and no hackers and no downloads-or they would have been done.
Yes, very funny, indeed. Can't you read? You got it for free on a loser music sharing network. How many other copies do you think got downloaded? Even if you got yours for free, and noone else got a copy, you helped someone else steal theirs. Toker, I'm done with this topic. This guy makes my point way better than I ever could.
No, he's saying it makes him madder when someone steals a Yugo, for some reason. Oh, right, underdog, blah, blah, blah. But everyone was an underdog once. Even Porsche. Even Steinberg. They got big by making a good product.
And that analogy only works if you take cars from the factory, before they have been sold. Hackers make it hard on everyone, big or small. He's allowed to be madder at the small guy getting ripped off- it's the way he feels. I'd still like to know at what point his feelings change from anger for the small guy to "that's the way business is." To me, it gets me angry no matter who gets ripped off. Especially since I'm going to have to pay for it somehow, either by increased prices, or like the n-tracks I just purchased, risk of piracy driving a small guy out of business.
Founded in 1984 by engineer Karl Steinberg and keyboard musician Manfred Rürup in Hamburg, Germany, the company released its first product, the Pro-16, 16-track MIDI sequencer for the Commodore C-64 platform in that year.
Two underdogs at the cutting edge of a new technology, just trying to make the music world better. And luckily, no internet and no hackers and no downloads-or they would have been done.
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Yes, very funny, indeed. Can't you read? You got it for free on a loser music sharing network. How many other copies do you think got downloaded? Even if you got yours for free, and noone else got a copy, you helped someone else steal theirs. Toker, I'm done with this topic. This guy makes my point way better than I ever could.
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boingoman
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BTW fuck Kazaa- adware & spyware ridden shit, illegal downloads or no.
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gordone
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People like you really piss off SW developers like myself. Remember, Karma's a b*tch!
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larenga89
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Honestly know I see your point (all of you), I really never think it that way.
The stealing car examples was a good one( not being sarcastic).
The thing is here in Argentina we dont have that much guys making programs on their garages, so when you think of software you are think someone like bill gates or a company like Microsoft, that you almost enjoy stealing them ( I am not sorry to say this). They stolen from all of us a lot more ( believe me I know what I am talking about)
My apologies if to all of you. Hope I can be a part of this group again.
From Argentina
Juan Pablo
The stealing car examples was a good one( not being sarcastic).
The thing is here in Argentina we dont have that much guys making programs on their garages, so when you think of software you are think someone like bill gates or a company like Microsoft, that you almost enjoy stealing them ( I am not sorry to say this). They stolen from all of us a lot more ( believe me I know what I am talking about)
My apologies if to all of you. Hope I can be a part of this group again.
From Argentina
Juan Pablo
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Toker41
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Um....why is it that the little guy gets screwed again? What about all the bands that use Kazza and the like to get their original music heard? No big industry asswipe standing up for them, huh? Don't see any of you guys in their corner. P2P is not a big evil. Not everyone using it is a thief. Yet, the industry has everyone thinking that it's ALL bad, and needs to be shut down all togeather, and screw the guys that use it honestly....because the industry doesn't make money from them so f*ck 'em, right? Who cares how it hurts them, as long as the big business get our money. The recording industry needs to adapt, and that is all there is to it. To try to stop P2P is a useless waste of time and money at this point. They need to re-think how things are done. How come you guys aren't all up in arms when the industry is ripping off the artist like it has from the beginning? Wasn't till that asswipe Lars was rich and cried "foul" and started throwing his fans in jail that people bought into that "the artist is getting ripped off" crap. At $100 a concert ticket , $50 a t-shirt, $30 for a program, and $8 for a bottle of water.....these guys are making plenty on tour. They NEVER really did make any money on album sales anyway, only the industry did. Most artist make only pennies from each album.
Then the industry sells you on the BS that you need Cd's because of their "better" sound (which isn't anywhere near true), and they told us they are indusructable....which now turns out they have a life of about 10 years. How many times should I have to pay for the same damn album? Then the industry is found guilty of "price control", but no one is screaming about them ripping off the consumer. NO, that is kept all hush, hush, and low profile, and people go right on paying $16 a CD that the artist gets $0.10 on if they have a GOOD deal. You are very confused on who the bad guy is.
As far as the stealing of N-track, I didn't make it this way, it's just the way it is. Piracy is a fact of life at this point, and if a business does not take it into account then it will not survive. Business needs to be run by realist, not idealist that think theft won't happen simply because it's wrong. Again, any High School level business major will tell you this.
Like I said, I am not the bad guy here. I never said I condone it, just that I understand why it happens, and that it WILL happen no matter what. Don't know why I have to keep repeating that. Why do you act like I said it was ok for this guy to crack N-Track? Please point out where I said that.
You just keep on buying all the BS the industry feeds the public, yet you don't care that they have stolen from you, and were found guilty of it in a court of law?
None of it really matters, because you can't stop piracy. It is a fact of business, and is in the mix of ANY software company. You are obviously not very educated on the matter, but yet you know all the BS that the industry can get on the 5 o'clock news.
Then the industry sells you on the BS that you need Cd's because of their "better" sound (which isn't anywhere near true), and they told us they are indusructable....which now turns out they have a life of about 10 years. How many times should I have to pay for the same damn album? Then the industry is found guilty of "price control", but no one is screaming about them ripping off the consumer. NO, that is kept all hush, hush, and low profile, and people go right on paying $16 a CD that the artist gets $0.10 on if they have a GOOD deal. You are very confused on who the bad guy is.
As far as the stealing of N-track, I didn't make it this way, it's just the way it is. Piracy is a fact of life at this point, and if a business does not take it into account then it will not survive. Business needs to be run by realist, not idealist that think theft won't happen simply because it's wrong. Again, any High School level business major will tell you this.
Like I said, I am not the bad guy here. I never said I condone it, just that I understand why it happens, and that it WILL happen no matter what. Don't know why I have to keep repeating that. Why do you act like I said it was ok for this guy to crack N-Track? Please point out where I said that.
You just keep on buying all the BS the industry feeds the public, yet you don't care that they have stolen from you, and were found guilty of it in a court of law?
None of it really matters, because you can't stop piracy. It is a fact of business, and is in the mix of ANY software company. You are obviously not very educated on the matter, but yet you know all the BS that the industry can get on the 5 o'clock news.
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boingoman
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Um- you never asked my opinion on any of that stuff. We were talking about software.
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Toker41
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One more note...
Kazza lite is a program Kazza offers with no spy crap in it. It is full function "clean" Kazza program, but it is not free. There is a 1 time fee of $19.00.
Now here is the punchline...
...you can find a cracked version of it on Kazza
Kazza lite is a program Kazza offers with no spy crap in it. It is full function "clean" Kazza program, but it is not free. There is a 1 time fee of $19.00.
Now here is the punchline...
...you can find a cracked version of it on Kazza
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Toker41
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boingoman said:
Didn't need to ask it, you give it anyway "...a loser music sharing network" is an opinionated statement.
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boingoman
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Toker41 said:One more note...
Kazza lite is a program Kazza offers with no spy crap in it. It is full function "clean" Kazza program, but it is not free. There is a 1 time fee of $19.00.
Now here is the punchline...
...you can find a cracked version of it on Kazza
Well, there's some justice, anyway. My loser comment was directed at Kazaa. Sorry if that wasn't clear. Free music for the people, except for the adware and spyware(that they get paid to fold into their program) or the onetime fee or until Kazaa starts to lose money cause their software got cracked. Then they'll charge people. Then the cycle starts again. Then it's Limewire. Personally, I use musicmatch. Cheap, with a pretty big selection. As far as albums, I don't mind replacing them when they wear out. I replace tires, clothes, and the argument could be made that since I've heard it, it resides in my brain and can recall it any time, so if I have to replace my album, oh well. The hard copy is only needed once. The industry was silly to claim the lifespan they did for CDs. I'm not going to argue the CD cost issue- I don't know enough about it. But, caveat emptor. You are right- artists got ripped off for a long time by labels. And file sharing deprives artists of even that small revenue, besides the effect it has on the label.
But I think the attitude of most people is why pay if it's free- not I'm doing my part to bring down the big labels. Most people wouldn't pay even if it all went to the artist. Maybe it'll all even out, cheaper music, easier distribution.