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DJL
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Flatpicker said:Aus is right, DJL. And remember, if you want world peace, you've got to get along with Alan too!
I'm here and willing.... he's the one who ran away, not me.
I'm here and willing.... he's the one who ran away, not me.
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DJL
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I don't want to know what you have stuck up your, but thanks anyway.ausrock said:
Rimshot
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Anyway,
Meanwhile...back on topic.....
I'm getting that old familiar feeling again. I had wanted this thread to be a place to get down to actual specifics about microphones manufacyured in Chinese plants and for the most part, that's what it has been, but the old flames keep creeping up and unfounded speculation guised as research and fact.
I do not work for any of the microphone companies. My own personal microphone cabinet looks like the U.N.. I have no vested interest in promoting Chinese manufactured microphones, but I see no reason to summarily dismiss them either. The ones that I've had the priviledge of working with happened to work well. I have worked with SP B1, B3, C1, C4's, Marshall MXL 1000, Rode V67 and Behringer ecm8000. I am pleased with how ALL of the above mics have performed for me. In many cases I didn't choose them because of cost but because the color and character that they imparted to a voice or instrument was exactly what I wanted and needed. (Even the little Behringer mics which I use as overheads work really beautifully on small ethnic percussion instruments). I also own a number of Sennheisser, AKG, Audio Technica, Shure, CAD, Oktava and 1 Audix mics. All of these mics serve me well in one application or another. I will be buying more mics as time comes and I will not dismiss any mic because of where it is made, how it works is ost important.
A lot has been written about Studio Projects and their qualty control. It SEEMS to me that most people are quite pleased with the quality (I know that I am) and their customer service is "tops" in my book. But there is a faction that will go ot of their way to discredit them whenever possible (I don't know why) but that is their prerogative if they wish (free country and all that). What I AM concerned about is that these rantings may unfairly sway inexperienced newbies that are eager for answers. Now that would be irresponsible and unprofessional when the newbie is asking about quality at a budget.
To danshi, if you actually ARE a citizen of Shanghai China and have experience with Chinese manufacturers, then I owe you an apology. In my role as a college professor, I deal with foreign students regularly and I'm accustomed to how my Chinese students speak and write (I have had students that speak any one of the three major Chinese dialect languages, and your use of English read false to me).
Many of us have had very good to excellent experiences with micophones that are manufactured by or have had components manufactured by Chinese plants. So I ask you:
If it looks like a duck, and flies like a duck and walks like a duck and swims, lays eggs and reproduces like a duck. Why can't we call it a duck? We're not calling it German duck....just a duck.
Any quacks wanna answer?
Note: I should be at Jamfest right now but due to two deaths in my family, I am here right now.
Meanwhile...back on topic.....
I'm getting that old familiar feeling again. I had wanted this thread to be a place to get down to actual specifics about microphones manufacyured in Chinese plants and for the most part, that's what it has been, but the old flames keep creeping up and unfounded speculation guised as research and fact.
I do not work for any of the microphone companies. My own personal microphone cabinet looks like the U.N.. I have no vested interest in promoting Chinese manufactured microphones, but I see no reason to summarily dismiss them either. The ones that I've had the priviledge of working with happened to work well. I have worked with SP B1, B3, C1, C4's, Marshall MXL 1000, Rode V67 and Behringer ecm8000. I am pleased with how ALL of the above mics have performed for me. In many cases I didn't choose them because of cost but because the color and character that they imparted to a voice or instrument was exactly what I wanted and needed. (Even the little Behringer mics which I use as overheads work really beautifully on small ethnic percussion instruments). I also own a number of Sennheisser, AKG, Audio Technica, Shure, CAD, Oktava and 1 Audix mics. All of these mics serve me well in one application or another. I will be buying more mics as time comes and I will not dismiss any mic because of where it is made, how it works is ost important.
A lot has been written about Studio Projects and their qualty control. It SEEMS to me that most people are quite pleased with the quality (I know that I am) and their customer service is "tops" in my book. But there is a faction that will go ot of their way to discredit them whenever possible (I don't know why) but that is their prerogative if they wish (free country and all that). What I AM concerned about is that these rantings may unfairly sway inexperienced newbies that are eager for answers. Now that would be irresponsible and unprofessional when the newbie is asking about quality at a budget.
To danshi, if you actually ARE a citizen of Shanghai China and have experience with Chinese manufacturers, then I owe you an apology. In my role as a college professor, I deal with foreign students regularly and I'm accustomed to how my Chinese students speak and write (I have had students that speak any one of the three major Chinese dialect languages, and your use of English read false to me).
Many of us have had very good to excellent experiences with micophones that are manufactured by or have had components manufactured by Chinese plants. So I ask you:
If it looks like a duck, and flies like a duck and walks like a duck and swims, lays eggs and reproduces like a duck. Why can't we call it a duck? We're not calling it German duck....just a duck.
Any quacks wanna answer?
Note: I should be at Jamfest right now but due to two deaths in my family, I am here right now.
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DJL
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I'd like to know how much the mic's cost in China as appose to in the USA? And can you buy the same mic's in China with different logo's... for example, how much does a Studio Projects B1 cost in China and can you buy the same mic in China with the 797 Audio logo on it instead of the Studio Projects logo?
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DJL
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Rimshot said:
I'm very sorry to hear that and send my prayers.
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danshi
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DJL said:
Almost the same . If I will buy a Studio Project , I must buy it from USA . Studio Project and 797 has the contract , only Studio Project can sell the mic , 797 can not . So I can not buy it from 797 , even use 797 logo .
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DJL
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danshi said:
Thank you danshi.
The factories must be big to make all the different microphones for all the different companies... about how large (physical size) are the mic factories in China and how many employees?
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danshi
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DJL said:
Not too big . In fact the number of mics is not big . So they don't need so many employees .
Every factory has different size . Look at the photo of Soundking Company and Takstar Company ( they product various audio equipment ) :
Sorry I can't find the photo of 797 and Feilo .
You look like very interested in these factories . OK , I can tell you more . It's unbelievable that there are many audio equipment plants in China , maybe one hundred . But "big" plants is less than 10 . The others is small and bad , they can't earn money , some of them counterfeits other's products . Why there are so many factories ? Because China is a communism and planned economy country before 90's . In the past , all factories are constructed by government and belong to government . So these factories can be big . Beijing government constructed a factory , Shanghai government constructed a factory , every government constructed a factory , so there are many factories . If this factory can earn money , the money is belong to government . If this factory can not earn money , the government give money to the factory .
But in the 90's , China gradually change to capitalism and market economy . These factorie are not belong to government . And there are many new proprietary and joint-stock companies . Every factories must try hard to earn money , otherwise they will close down . Many small factories close . But those big factories are better and better .
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danshi
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Rimshot said:
Yes , I am a citizen of Shanghai . Your students is different to me because they had no dictionary in hand . My dictionary is a PC software , I cannot write English without it . But sometimes I cannot read and write even using this dictionary . The English education in China has big problem , I have studied English for 10 years .
I found join in this BBS can increase my English very much .
Mark7
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Can IMPROVE your English.
Which is debatable, as it appears to be the Third or Fourth language of most Board members
Which is debatable, as it appears to be the Third or Fourth language of most Board members
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Flatpicker
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Rimshot - How do you like the C4's and have you tried them on acoustic guitar?
I'm sorry to hear about the deaths.
I'm sorry to hear about the deaths.
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Flatpicker
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danshi - Thanks for all the info. This is very interesting to me!
Rimshot
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Hi Flatpicker,
I don't personally own the C4's (yet). My friend Richie Monroe does and has been using them alternating between those and the Oktava 012's as drum overheads on a project that I am participating in. He has also used them in other applications with great success. They are very good mics and I personally like them better than the 012's because they nicely pick up the highs without getting harsh. The 012's aren't harsh either, but they don't pick up the highs as well. I'm a drummer and a bit of a trumpet player, not a good person to ask about guitars.....I mean, I like guitars and all, but...
The C4's worked well on some background vocals too.
I don't personally own the C4's (yet). My friend Richie Monroe does and has been using them alternating between those and the Oktava 012's as drum overheads on a project that I am participating in. He has also used them in other applications with great success. They are very good mics and I personally like them better than the 012's because they nicely pick up the highs without getting harsh. The 012's aren't harsh either, but they don't pick up the highs as well. I'm a drummer and a bit of a trumpet player, not a good person to ask about guitars.....I mean, I like guitars and all, but...
The C4's worked well on some background vocals too.
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Flatpicker
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Thanks, Rimshot. Sounds like great mics - I wish I could buy just one cardoid C4.
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DJL
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danshi,
Thank you for all the insight and wonderful pictures... those factories are big and I really like the way the buildings look. You have a beautiful looking country. Someday I'd like to go on a factory tour and see how the mic's are made. Have you seen how the mic's are made?
Thank you for all the insight and wonderful pictures... those factories are big and I really like the way the buildings look. You have a beautiful looking country. Someday I'd like to go on a factory tour and see how the mic's are made. Have you seen how the mic's are made?
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edwhite
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sheesh
man all i searched for was peoples opinions on some mics! - i think ill get back to my music now. i have some microphones from.. a shop.. and they are shiny and sound nice. nuff said.
man all i searched for was peoples opinions on some mics! - i think ill get back to my music now. i have some microphones from.. a shop.. and they are shiny and sound nice. nuff said.
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DJL
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What are you searching for?edwhite said:
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lanterns
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my sentiments also.edwhite said:
i don't judge a mic by it's label. i judge it by it's sound, and price. an aside, my sweet epi casino was made in Korea, and it's the most beautiful sounding guitar i've ever owned.
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OneArmedScissor
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I think this is the strangest thread I have ever seen. I just read the entire thing after not following it at all. It started off with a reasonable question to figure something out and to make useful information clear to everyone, quickly turned to being pointless and off topic and an impending, all-out, flame war, and then just as quickly, made a completely unimaginable turn around, becoming one of the most informative and friendly threads I have ever seen on any internet forum of any kind lol.
Cool, though.
So you guys like C4s? I have never been able to get anyone's opinions on them. They are very interesting to me, being budget paired small condensers, but at a higher price range than most.
Cool, though.
So you guys like C4s? I have never been able to get anyone's opinions on them. They are very interesting to me, being budget paired small condensers, but at a higher price range than most.
cellardweller
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Danshi, I bid you welcome.
It would be nice to get this "conversation" back on topic.
For instance, I've recently bought a B1, and like it very much for vocals. However, I've not had any luck getting a decent recording from it of a distorted guitar cab (Very mid-ish...).
Any suggestions for improving my chances, or is this simply the wrong mic for this application? What SP might be more fitting, not that I am ONLY considering SP's, I would like to know all of the options...
Thanx.
It would be nice to get this "conversation" back on topic.
For instance, I've recently bought a B1, and like it very much for vocals. However, I've not had any luck getting a decent recording from it of a distorted guitar cab (Very mid-ish...).
Any suggestions for improving my chances, or is this simply the wrong mic for this application? What SP might be more fitting, not that I am ONLY considering SP's, I would like to know all of the options...
Thanx.
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