Check Out These Mp3's From Alternative Rock Solo Artist Jesse Michael Garcia In Utah

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I just posted an older song of mine for you technically proficient types to scoff at.


I do take some things quite seriously. Like my freedom; and my gratitude to those that give their lives to protect it ...



Out of key; out of time; and out of my mind.



And in your minds forever ...
 
FYI... You all deserve exactly what you're getting by constantly responding to this guy's tactics. The is just FT Part Deux, and you're welcoming him into your lives with open arms.



Good jorb. :p


WATYF
 
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Sorry to bump the thread, but...

JGarcia started off okay, and his stuff really isn't all that bad. I've heard worse, and of course, I've heard much better. The problem, as I see it, is around his third post or so, he really started asking for trouble in the way he presented himself. That just kinda begs people to dig deeper and look for stuff. Granted, I didn't hear some of the other tracks that were replaced. I heard the tuning and timing issues too. I'm also well-educated enough musically (honours degree) to know about the styles of music that he refers to - but timing issues are timing issues wherever you go. It doesn't have to be predictable to be in time... it just has to be in time. A drum fill in 4/4 time that comes in late and as a result, has to rush to finish beats 3+4 in order to land back on 1 at the right time is out of time. If some sort of half-assed rushed 16th note triplets with a couple of 32nd notes at the end is on purpose, then maybe it is in time - but a bad compositional choice. I'd rather be accused of being out in my timing performance than making poor compositional choices.

That said...

The biggest problem (aside from apparently thinking he's great) with JGarcia, as he presents himself, is that Jesse, you don't know who you're speaking to. How do you know that these people are all never-knowns who have never and will never "make it" in the music biz? FYI, there are people around here who have worked professionally with the likes of REM, Jefferson Airplane, Sheryl Crow, Megadeath, and more. Just because someone's name isn't familiar to you (not to mention, of course, that most of us here use pseudonyms) doesn't mean that they haven't done /aren't doing anything. I mean, who the hell is Harvey Gerst, anyways? ;)

To your credit, though, JGarcia, you lasted longer than I would have after the reception you've endured.

Chris
 
Well put.

For the sake of argument if you freeze time within within the 3rd and 4th beat, and split the time signature within the tempo infinately, you come to a most puzzling diliema for you tech heads. The point beyond where humans can recognize the measurements between these most correct and minute time signatures. Imagine the mathamatical possibilites ...

For people who so closely scrutinize the details of life, I am suprised at the lack of focus. I never grouped all members together in one heap.

I thank you for the input. I do appreciate good conversation ...





The legend continues ...
 
jessegarcia said:
Well put.

For the sake of argument if you freeze time within within the 3rd and 4th beat, and split the time signature within the tempo infinately, you come to a most puzzling diliema for you tech heads.
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Hmmm... only sort of. For sake of argument, the difference between a dotted eighth to a sixteenth, and an eighth note triplet where the first two eighths of the triplet are tied (at a tempo of say 120bpm) works out to something (I can't remember what... I'll work it out precisely if anyone cares enough) as apparently insignificant as 2/100 of a second. While mathematically miniscule, there is a significant difference to most listeners.

edited.... worked it out... 4.17/100 of a second....

Chris
 
Yes, this is a notable difference.

I would like to ask your obviously educated opinion about something ...


What of the ability to repeat "mistakes" in time? In such a way as repeating the same "mistep" over and over, yet maintaining a pattern while switching the bpm and then resuming an "original" count; as with the much recorded and documented musical styles of say american indians or african tribal members. Some music of the orient would also be an example of what I am refering to. I am just curious to know what your explanation would be. It is quite undeniable that this method of "performance" or "ability" exist's. In other words, if the only distiguishable "pattern" of a melody consist's of a varying and/or undefinable tempo; would this be considered "wrong" or "bad timing"?


From a chant in the bush, to the origin of music on paper ...

What was the true original purpose and need of this transisition?

To educate or explain in simple or childlike terms to those that were spiritually, and thus physically "out of touch with nature", (the rythymically challenged European white male) the same "timing" or "structure" as the sounds that were coming from the earth; or to "make sense" of an insane savage's incoherent jibberish.

Or ... To ensure that we as artist's can live on and be known by other future generations ...



Insanity resumes.
 
jessegarcia said:
What of the ability to repeat "mistakes" in time? In such a way as repeating the same "mistep" over and over, yet maintaining a pattern while switching the bpm and then resuming an "original" count; as with the much recorded and documented musical styles of say american indians or african tribal members. Some music of the orient would also be an example of what I am refering to. I am just curious to know what your explanation would be. It is quite undeniable that this method of "performance" or "ability" exist's. In other words, if the only distiguishable "pattern" of a melody consist's of a varying and/or undefinable tempo; would this be considered "wrong" or "bad timing"?
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I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at here, but it sounds something like polyrhythms, which, as you suggest, have been used in lots of "non-pop" styles from tribal music to modern avante-garde composers. Roughly the idea is this...

You have one part playing in 4/4 time. In the space of five bars, you would then play 20 beats of music. You have another part in a less-conventional time signature - say 5/4. In four bars of music, you would play twenty beats of music. This creates, over an unusual five-bar phrase, a constant sense of pushing and pulling within the rhythmic structure, but ultimately settles, after twenty beats of music, back to both parts playing the next phrase beginning on their respective first beat at the same time as the other part. Think of it as a rhythmic counterpart to the old dissonance resolving to consonance that we use for creative harmonic effect. In order for this to work, though, both parts have to be playing to a VERY precise meter, or their "one" beat to start the next phrase won't line up, and will result in a rhythmic equivalent to a train wreck. You can't go mucking about with changing tempi here unless it is controlled VERY strictly with a conductor. A percussion part won't cut it, as a percussionist would have to be either in 4/4 or 5/4, leaving him/her unable to effectively lead the other part in the other time signature. Possible, yes, but practical, no.


jessegarcia said:
From a chant in the bush, to the origin of music on paper ...

What was the true original purpose and need of this transisition?
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Not in jest here, but a fair comparison, I believe.... for the same reasons we take pictures of grandma....

Chris
 
Hmmmmmm.... .... ... ... ..

Well, I listened closly to all three tunes. Heres my take on your stuff from my personal reactions and from my experiences in listening and playing music of about every type you could imagine and of being around a lot of different types of people. Musical and not.

Youve said you are on limited equipment so Ive taken that into consideration also.

Your use of that type of voice, given the type of music you are playing, isnt completely inappropriate. Ive lived in a college town most of my life and have listened to a lot of this over beer before. And volume, energy, and head banging in general with a screw off attitude is common with this type of approach. Your drumming and guitar playing are way ahead of your vocals here. Your kick gets out there sometimes but the technique on the rest of the drums are impressive at times. Ive sat and written songs with a drummer (one of them) from King Crimson when he was a stable writer. We were drinkin and brainstorming for a weekend. I listened to some of his stuff from his band days and I think your comparison may be a little of a strech there. But I THINK I see what your refffering to. You use an interesting effect on the vocals at times. The WHOA start on the second song was cool.

I dont belong to a lot of forums but there may be some where your style is more understood and any replies you recieve more respected by you personally. Most people, and their music, that Ive run into here have a lot more experience in this art and are usually trying to give the listeners a pleasant thought provoking, or physical/mental/emotional experience. Yours may do that latter but when you get the emotions fed back to you that your music calls up, perhaps you should accept that as valid without taking it personal. Your reply after receiving honest input that as far as I saw was not a personal slam to you was right on at first but then you degraded into personal, general slander of those that took their time to try to help you. Even if you didnt like what they had to say, you thanked them and then insulted them. This opened the door for more of them to reply in kind. And why not? You more or less said you`d prolly try to kick their butts in a later post. Come on now. You call yourself an actor protraying all the emotions. Well weve seen only one so far. Its legitimant but show us a different face for a change and chill out. Any help you may have been able to get here you pissed away.

Save the head banging and attitude for the college bars that like that stuff and come back again sometime when your real desire is more than JUST an ego stroke.

~airdvl~
 
In reference to the earlier conversation ...

Once again I must say, very well put. Yet, what of the technical label? Mistake or not? And at what point does the label not fit? Repeatable "error's; mistakes; breathing or thought patterns; and/or sounds duplicated from the impression of one's hearing a stream's water swish in a certain way ... etc." are used by half the world in their music. Who definition is correct; the scholar's or the shaman?

Given the size of most musician's ego's, I would have to say the reason of invention in this case was necessity.

Do you wan't to live forever? Wouldn't you do anythng to achieve this? It's okay to admi it; self preservation is a nataural instinct ...



To the other reply-

Thank you. I acknowledge your comments and understand them as coming from your outside perspective. I hope that you do not judge me just quite yet.



This ride has just begun ...




The legend grows ...
 
I have posted two more older songs for your amusement.

All opinions and comments are welcomed and appreciated.
 
jessegarcia said:
I have posted two more older songs for your amusement.

All opinions and comments are welcomed and appreciated.
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Same crap, different title.... get yourself a decent recording engineer - at least that way the shit you want people to hear will be a little more shiny....... :rolleyes:
 
Did you know...

No matter how "technical" you want to get or mathematical you make your songs, they still sound like shit.

IT'S TRUE

I mean, I only know 3 chords but I'm pretty sure that I can shit out a better song. It's like you know, I suck like blink 187 sucks, but you suck like WILLIAM HUNG sucks, or maybe like that guy that shits his pants and takes it out and smears it on his face while screaming something that sounds like your songs.
 
Don't feel bad bloke.. although this is like watching the scene from shawshank where they try to make the fresh fish cry

the music sucked but don't let anyone here get to you because it's not like you have a brain tumor and can't learn how to get better or your kids are ugly :rolleyes:


If someone's criticism gets to you just them to show you one of their recordings, that usually scatters a dog pile. Learn how to point out the suck in others, that's I guess survival tip #1.
 
I was having some technical difficulties; I apologize for my late response. Thank you for the all of comments. I acknowledge and consider everything that is said; good and bad.


More music will come soon ...
 
Is there an inverse relationship between quality of music posted and length of thread? Are we demonstrating that hype is more important than substance? No particular disrespect to jessegarcia - to whom I am profoundly indifferent - but we've all seen far superior music to his appear and vanish in a fraction of the time this topic has lasted.

Hmmm...is our cosy little, quality oriented bbs a microcosm of the real world of commercial music?
 
Dont think the length of this thread had anything to do with music.. .. .

But then again I`m not sure the commercial offerings, that attract a lot of attention via behavior of the artist, do either. So maybe you have a point. :D

~airdvl~
 
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