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You don't even know what "sound proofing" is if you think anyone has succeeded in accomplishing it with egg crates. Simply because it's impossible "sound proof" anything with egg crates. That is a fact.

The only point you've manged to make is that you're a total idiot that proves he's a total idiot every time he posts. The only other thing you've proven is that your age matches your IQ.

Congratulations, idiot.

:D
 
This is just like the "vocal booth" thread...

Some people really do try to give a cost-effective method of dealing with whatever conditions currently exist.

But there are others here who basically say, "you're such a f*ckup; you must have a room of X size and use this kind of acoustic treatment or you might as well just give up".

This is a pretty diverse group here. There are some who either have very lucrative day jobs or wealthy parents or another large amount of disposible income and can build/remodel rooms and buy Grace preamps without even thinking about it.

There's also your average guy with a decent income or pension who can squeeze out a few bucks a month to spend on their hobby, and who have a basement large enough to make a decent studio in.

We've also got the high school kids who've been saving their burger-flipping money for three months to buy an MXL condenser and are trying to record in their 10 x 9 bedroom.

And we have to provide answers for everyone here...

May I suggest that if you don't have an answer for a particular situation that you just stay off the thread with your negative comments. Let those who are trying to help people work with what they've got provide their suggestions or brainstorming.

While most of us would really like to have an acoustically perfect studio filled with top-of-the-line gear, most of us don't yet have it. And I would submit that the person who learns how to make decent recordings with crappy equipment in lousy rooms will end up being a better engineer than the guy who has perfect everything to start with...
There's some validity to some of the things you say here, like learning in adversity possibly arming you with diverse skills and the importance of cost effective solutions. But this
This is a pretty diverse group here.
and this
And we have to provide answers for everyone here..
are the key statements that are are your argument's greatest strength.........while simultaneously being the torpedo that damns your submarine. Because what you are in effect advocating is one way conversation, regardless of knowledge, experience or opinion. True, some of us aren't currently in a position to make some of the changes that have been suggested. I'm in that scenario myself. But believe me, it would be a far poorer forum if the RAMIs, Supercreeps, Ethans, Massives and Miroslavs of this world didn't weigh in with their opinions, experiences and what they've discovered. It's precisely those kind of views that give balance to this topic and the kind of requests that come in and save those that don't know from flailing helplessly in mid air, guessing here and pissing in the wind there.
Let me paint this scenario for you; someone writes in saying "I have a foam filled vocal booth but my vocals sound awful and boxy and muffled; what can I do to make it sound better". And many people who have been through a similar or same scenario and can recognize that the problem is staring the questioner in the face, do not respond because they believe there's nothing that can be done to improve the scenario that the questioner actually wants. What are you actually left with ? Others responding with often untried attempts at solutions or as you put it, 'brainstorming'. Which ultimately results in not much at all. Guesswork. You might get lucky and hit on a workable solution. Might.
On the other hand, by having a range of options, the questioner now has opportunity to really grasp the nettle and look into this matter and consider what they actually might do. Remember, these answers come about because someone has a specific problem.
If someone does enjoyable songs with acceptable mixes, and they sang in a foam lined tiny booth or mixed in a room with no basstraps or whatever, then it's not an issue is it ? Not every room/space in the universe is a disaster. But when it is........the responsible respond. The advice may sometimes be put across in a brusque manner, the advice may not be liked or what one wants to hear. But it needs to be there, not only for the OP but for anyone looking into these topics in the future.
 
OP, if your still hell bent on doing this try using the heaviest moving blankets you can get your hands on, they will probably be about 15-20$ for each 72'x80 moving blanket.

Your better off in your main room, but if your stubborn like me, this is a fairly low cost way to do the vocal booth thing and let your results guide you after that
 
You don't even know what "sound proofing" is if you think anyone has succeeded in accomplishing it with egg crates. Simply because it's impossible "sound proof" anything with egg crates. That is a fact.

The only point you've manged to make is that you're a total idiot that proves he's a total idiot every time he posts. The only other thing you've proven is that your age matches your IQ.

Congratulations, idiot.

:D

And another reduced to nothing but name calling...

And stupidity...I believe even you mentioned "mass" on the vocal booth thread.

While I certainly wouldn't call it practical, suppose you stapled egg cartons in layers, say 16 feet thick. I think you would have some pretty good soundproofing.

So, it's not impossible to soundproof with egg crates, although it probably wouldn't be practical.

BTW: I never said anything about using egg crates for soundproofing, I merely quoted others who had...
 
Your better off in your main room...


That's really the bottom line. Hang some trapping around the main room, but allow the room to breathe also.

The only reason to do something in a closet-sized booth would be if you needed it totally isolated, so no sound could get out or in....and then, you would have to expect that without proper bass trapping, the low end would be "boxed"...and with too much upper end absorption (foam), the high end would be gone...dead and muffled.

It's just a tough deal to work that out in a very small space.
 
The advice may sometimes be put across in a brusque manner ...

That is the problem...

"I don't think you are going to get very good results with (whatever) but you might be able to do (something else)..." is far more useful than, "You're a stupid motherf*cker and (whatever) is never going to work!"
 
OP, if your still hell bent on doing this try using the heaviest moving blankets you can get your hands on, they will probably be about 15-20$ for each 72'x80 moving blanket.

Your better off in your main room, but if your stubborn like me, this is a fairly low cost way to do the vocal booth thing and let your results guide you after that

NO. Blankets, egg crates, and foam are going to make a bad sounding room WORSE.

Most of the people who stand by this - such as myself - have wasted hundreds of dollars on products that DIDN'T WORK AS ADVERTISED and had to rip out the stuff and replace it with something that ACTUALLY WORKS.

Other people weren't so lucky: The Station nightclub fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Keep in mind that if you staple egg cartons to your walls and you have a structural fire, your insurance company will likely DENY YOUR CLAIM.

Now look. The reason we are all using rigid fiberglass and not foam, egg crates, blankets, and fairy farts ISN'T BECAUSE WE ARE STUPID. You can choose to ignore our advice, but do not scold us for giving it to people who ask for it.
 
While I certainly wouldn't call it practical, suppose you stapled egg cartons in layers, say 16 feet thick. I think you would have some pretty good soundproofing.

So, it's not impossible to soundproof with egg crates, although it probably wouldn't be practical.

BTW: I never said anything about using egg crates for soundproofing, I merely quoted others who had...


You're all over the place now.... :D

How is THAT in any way helpful to the OP?
You're theorizing about the possibility of maybe somehow it should could why not if....
 
The advice may sometimes be put across in a brusque manner ...

That is the problem...

"I don't think you are going to get very good results with (whatever) but you might be able to do (something else)..." is far more useful than, "You're a stupid motherf*cker and (whatever) is never going to work!"

The first two times, perhaps. Then I'm done being coy about it. You want to see some flaming? Go make your ridiculous assertions in the Studio Construction Forum and wait till Rick Fitzpatrick gets ahold of you.

Cry less, lurk moar.
 
That's really the bottom line. Hang some trapping around the main room, but allow the room to breathe also.

The only reason to do something in a closet-sized booth would be if you needed it totally isolated, so no sound could get out or in....and then, you would have to expect that without proper bass trapping, the low end would be "boxed"...and with too much upper end absorption (foam), the high end would be gone...dead and muffled.

It's just a tough deal to work that out in a very small space.

It's just a tough deal to work that out in a very small space.

And while there is very little comparison between radio announcing and recording a singer other than a mic and a person, I spent quite a bit of time in closet-sized foam-lined announcer's booths and got very nice sounds out of them...
 
["I don't think you are going to get very good results with (whatever) but you might be able to do (something else)..." is far more useful than, "You're a stupid motherf*cker and (whatever) is never going to work!"
No, it wouldn't be more useful simply because it's way less accurate.
 
So, it's not impossible to soundproof with egg crates, although it probably wouldn't be practical....

No, I'm pretty sure it is quite impossible to soundproof with egg crates. Even if you had egg crates A MILE THICK on your walls you would fail because of flanking and structural transmission.

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While I certainly wouldn't call it practical, suppose you stapled egg cartons in layers, say 16 feet thick. I think you would have some pretty good soundproofing.

So, it's not impossible to soundproof with egg crates, although it probably wouldn't be practical.
OK, I think you need to shut up now and spend a little more time removing your foot from your mouth. Your back-tracking is getting embarrassing.:rolleyes:
 
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And while there is very little comparison between radio announcing and recording a singer other than a mic and a person, I spent quite a bit of time in closet-sized foam-lined announcer's booths and got very nice sounds out of them...

Right...so what are the "nice sounds"...

...you talking into a mic? :D
 
Right...so what are the "nice sounds"...

...you talking into a mic? :D
Not that I consider this a battle of wits, because at least one person showed up to the battle un-armed.....But if this were an actual argument, the best way to win it would be to just let him keep talking. :)
 
A thought just struck me about egg crates. It is true that number one hit records were recorded in the 60s in studios that had egg crates on the wall. Keith Richards states that the Stones' first two albums were recorded in a little studio that had them on the walls. Some of the great soul hits were recorded in such. But what is significant is that this practice wasn't even close to widespread after the mid 60s {I would argue that it was probably never widespread}. And that leads me to wonder ~ did those studio operators actually believe that the crates actually had something to do with the hits ? Remember, they used to record drums with a single mic too.
The fact that you engage in a certain practice as part of a wider craft and things come off well doesn't necesarilly mean that that practice contributed towards that coming off well.
Many studio practices down the years have been superceded by something else and rarely, if ever, returned to. Some were good and could be returned to, some not.
 
Eggcrates are stupid for anything but eggs and preschool crafts.
 
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