Catching that "warmth"

[shoe1]

I found the sweetest warm tone on my guitar. The problem is, i can't record that and make it sound good on the playback. I'm using an Sm57. I tried close cab micing it, and a bit away, but i didn't achieve the desired warmth at either ranges. I tried putting a folder ofer the mic (like an isoltion thing) to catch the tone but that didn't work either. plus, i get a whole lot of noise from the mic, it's not the amp. Thanks, any tips are welcome.

-Shoe

 

[lbcstudios]

i was in the same situation as you... i dont there is really a thing to tell you to fix your prob completly... but one day me and a friend were tryin to get good sounds from the amp... it sounded good in the room.. but not as good when miced with a sm 57.. so i decided.. ill put it all in the bathroom.. cant hurt.. and bingo.. it fixed about 80 % of the prob i was having. so give it a shot if that is possible, or try other rooms.

 

[Massive Master]

Definitely try to find out if that warmth is the AMP or the ROOM.

Stick your head in there and see if it sounds good to the MIC. If not, work on it until it does.

Obviously, do this at a reasonable level as to not damage your hearing...

John Scrip - www.massivemastering.com

 

[chessrock]

Man, you newbs are killing me with all that warmth stuff.

You have to understand: warmth is an ideal that exists only in your imagination.

Strive to make things sound good. At least that's a concept that's not quite as abstract, and not totally unattainable. And if good is giving you massive difficulty, then strive for not sucking first . . . and once you get that down, you can move on to good. And after all of that, I suppose you can start worrying about this "warmth" thing or whatever. Just try not to lose too much sleep over it.

Good is good. And if it's good, then someone's bound to think it's "warm."

 

[The Seifer]

chessrock sure is a PRETENTIOUS COCKSUCKER


Anyway, warmth exists and I have heard it. Try to seperate the actual knowledge from people on these forums (there is a lot of it) from the bullshit spewed by the (oddly enough) same knowledgeable people.

 

[chessrock]

Alright Seifer,

I can't believe you call others pretentious, yet you claim to have unravelled the mysterys of "warmth," where even most of the greatest minds in audio have failed.

Alright, Seifer. From now on, I'm just going to call you: Seifer the Savior: Audio Jesus. Behold . . . Audio Jesus hath discovered warmth!

 

[The Seifer]

"AUDIO JESUS" HAHAHAHA

Alright dudettes, maybe its not WARMNESS, but the tone of tubeness is definately different, regardless what dipshits and assholes on the internet want to name it.

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

Definitely try to find out if that warmth is the AMP or the ROOM.

Stick your head in there and see if it sounds good to the MIC. If not, work on it until it does.

Obviously, do this at a reasonable level as to not damage your hearing...

I agree 100%......

Shoe1 - assuming you actually want to learn something, it's in your best interest to ignore any posts by guys as clueless as "The Seifer"........

 

[The Seifer]

I'm getting better cranky grandpa blue bear... you just wait!

 

[chessrock]

. . . the tone of tubeness . . .

Did you just make up this new terminology I'm reading, AJ ?


Because a vision softly creeping
Left its seeds while I was sleeping,
And the vision that was planted in my brain

Still remains
within the tone . . . of tubeness.


Damn, Audio Jesus (No offense). You're like a poet and a prophet.

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

I'm getting better cranky grandpa blue bear... you just wait!

yes - just like me - I'm sure Elliot Scheiner and Al Schmitt are shaking in their boots too........

 

[NYMorningstar]

plus, i get a whole lot of noise from the mic, it's not the amp. Thanks, any tips are welcome.

-Shoe

What are you using to record through? Please describe your sound chain e.g. mic-->monitors and everything in between. Does the noise from the mic happen all the time or just when you crank it?

 

[John Sayers]

I'm using an Sm57

try reversing the eq of the sm57.

A SM57 has a peak at around 6khz and rolls off below 100hz. (Why they are good stage mikes) So try dipping at 6khz and low shelf boost at 100hz.

cheers
John

 

[bucchild]

I'll say up front that this is coming from an inexperienced source, but what I have PLENTY experience with is finding out the stupid mistakes I have been making.

One of which is trying to figure out all that noise I was getting through the mic. I put it in front of the cab, and heard a bunch of noise, and tried to figure out where it was from. Here are some of those things I found to be culprits:

The amp itself
Fluorescent light
Computer monitor
Furnace
Refrigerator

and possibly the biggest source of frustration:
CABLES....

Your noise can be coming from anywhere....mics pick up a lot that you'd never notice without thinking about it. The one thing I can do better than all the pros is SCREW UP....I'm sure they were all good at it once, though.

Try not to take offense to what the more knowledgable guys here say....it can be hard for them sometimes to remember that we can't always explain what we're trying to say. But never expect them to let you slide for it....but take it lightly and we'll all have a little fun.

 

[bucchild]

"warmth"

I just want to add about the whole warmth thing. I agree with chessrock in saying that "warmth" is relative to the listener. But I would go as far as to say that warmth does exist, it's just very vague.

I'll use an analogy like everyone else likes to. Defining "warmth" is like defining "pain." There are some similarities between things that cause pain, but try telling a woman in labor that getting kicked in the nuts is painful...sure both hurt, but what a woman in labor thinks is pain is much different from the feeling a man has when he gets a swift foot to the naughty bits.

 

[chessrock]

. . . and try going to the doctor and just saying: "Im in pain."

Be a little more specific, and you will get far in life.

 

[shoe1]

ok thanks for everyones help. What do yuou mean, theres no such th8ing as warmth? Listen to Guns N Roses version of Knockin On Heavens Door, and listen to the intro guitar. It's such a perfect tone. That's what i mean by warmth.

Also, what are good eq's for this? I'll search around some more, but any help is appreciated. Thanks!

-Shoe

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

"warmth" is at the source, not the gear...........

 

[chessrock]

What do yuou mean, theres no such th8ing as warmth? Listen to Guns N Roses version of Knockin On Heavens Door, and listen to the intro guitar. It's such a perfect tone. That's what i mean by warmth.

Yea, that's what you mean by warmth (a particular guitar tone you like). Others might think of it as being something totally different, and may even think G&R sound like ass and are a bunch of posers, so you just have to be more specific when you talk about this stuff. That's all I'm saying.

 

[shoe1]

Yea, that's what you mean by warmth (a particular guitar tone you like). Others might think of it as being something totally different, and may even think G&R sound like ass and are a bunch of posers, so you just have to be more specific when you talk about this stuff. That's all I'm saying.

Ok let me rephrase this then. How do i capture the guitars true sound and tone better? I want to get a much fuller sound.

-Shoe