Can't we all "just get along"!

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Thanks for posting this. The examples posted aren't really along the same lines as what Behringer is doing/has done and you shed some decent light on it.
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Yep I guess so , i figured beringher had at least permission from the other companies to do this or at least paid them royalties.

I guess they havn't been sued enough yet! :mad:
 
warble said:
Thanks for posting this. The examples posted aren't really along the same lines as what Behringer is doing/has done and you shed some decent light on it.
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Thanks. What is amazing about all of it is that Behringer is so incredibly brazen about it -- as exemplified by their naming (XENYX) of their copy of the Mackie ONYX mixer.
 
OK, I agree that Behringer stinks (due to lack of ethics) and haven't bought any of their products since I learned of this a few months ago. I should'nt have even included them in the discussion (they don't deserve the attention). Any beefs with BBE, MXL, Nady, etc. Surely these products have a place in certain recording/mastering situations. I own some of all of these and rarely use them, but wouldnt it be reasonable to use them when the project outgrows my limited supply of Avalons (2) and Mindprint DTC. Let's say I'm recording 3 vocals, 2 accoustic guitars, a mandolin, and need 2 more channels. Where would you put the *$#@ingers.
 
Unless Behringer (and others) have infringed on someone's patent or trademark (and they probably have), I don't think they have broken the law. That's why there are trade secrets, and manufacturers go to extreme lengths to protect them. If you build a product, and have no patent or use no one else's patent, anyone is free to copy/reverse engineer it and sell it if they are able to do so.

And even if a percentage of manufacturers whose patents are infringed go to the time and expense to go to court, Behringer and the likes are still raking it in from products that aren't questioned.

The ethics of such practices is open to debate.
 
Soundmind?? said:
I was surfing recording studion sites the other day and something really got my attention. On some high end studio sites if found Behringer, BBI, MXL listed among Manly, Neve, Avalon, and other super high end gear. Why all the negativity toward these products? I know they are not the backbone of these studios, but evidently they are good for something....any comments?
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Any gear that gets you going and on your way is good. Plenty of great records
were made in funky recording facilities on less than stellar gear as well.


Rico
 
Behringer

Personally, I think if you have the money to buy the original name high end products, you are going to do that if nothing else to impress your potential clients by using the names in your studio equipment list.

If Behringer are making the same product for a fraction of the cost, then it is for the people who have home studio's that can't afford the big name gear.

I don't think that API, NEVE, Nuemann, Avalon etc . and all the big name guys have lost any business because of the Chinese companies that rip them off and sell for a fraction of the price, (although I don't know this for a fact).

The budget studio owner doesn't have the money to buy a bunch of big name gear to start with, so they will buy cheap gear, and as I said before, if you have a huge account, you're going to buy Neumann, API etc. anyway.

I think Behringer are a good product at a cheap price.
If you have a good pair of ears, you can get cheap gear to sound every bit as good as high end gear, and if you don't have the ears, you can have an SSL in your basement, Urei pre's 480 XL etc. and turn out a bad product.
 
smuffjules said:
I think Behringer are a good product at a cheap price.
If you have a good pair of ears, you can get cheap gear to sound every bit as good as high end gear, and if you don't have the ears, you can have an SSL in your basement, Urei pre's 480 XL etc. and turn out a bad product.
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Now that's about the most intelligent thing I've heard all day...
Ears people.... It's all about the ears.....
 
smuffjules said:
If you have a good pair of ears, you can get cheap gear to sound every bit as good as high end gear, and if you don't have the ears, you can have an SSL in your basement, Urei pre's 480 XL etc. and turn out a bad product.
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I disagree with the first part of this statement - in the hands of a good engineer with good ears (all other things being equal), high-end gear will sound better than low-end gear. There's a reason it is high-end gear. Now, will everyone be able to take adevantage of the high-end gear? No, but for those who can, it can take the good to the sublime (to paraphrase someone else, I don't recall who).
 
fraserhutch said:
I disagree with the first part of this statement - in the hands of a good engineer with good ears (all other things being equal), high-end gear will sound better than low-end gear. There's a reason it is high-end gear. Now, will everyone be able to take adevantage of the high-end gear? No, but for those who can, it can take the good to the sublime (to paraphrase someone else, I don't recall who).
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That's the most intelligent thing I've heard all day. :)
 
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