Cakewalk Vocal Tips?

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ChuckU said:
What I want to do though (and I'm not sure how) is to pan guitar one hard right, but assign delay or reverb hard left. So that you hear the initial attack in the right ear and the subsequent resonation on the left. Guitar two is opposite. Any tips on this?
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That, my friend, is classic Van Halen. Ted Templeman panned Ed's guitar to one side, and all it's reverb to the other side. Listen to VH1, VH2, Women and Children First, Diver Down, or Mean Street to hear that technique in all it's glory! Then, just for fun, listen to it taken to an absurd level: "Heena" on the David Lee Roth album "Skyscraper" features Steve Vai playing two complementory guitar parts, one panned L and one panned R. The catch is the entire second part is just the first part delayed about a half a bar. Unreal.

As far as doing just the opposite with a second guitar, I'm not sure what would be gained, since you would effectively end up with the same result as if you had just used the old "double-track-guitars-and-pan-them-L-and-R" trick. Sort of like making a giant machine to pull Oreo cookies apart....

Oreo cookies....

mmmmmmmmm......


Aaron
http://www.voodoovibe.com
 
Yeah, Aaron. Van Halen is a great example. Well, I just went upstairs and played around a bit and I figured out how to do what I had asked in my previous post. Track on one side, effect on the other. Here's what I did (using sonar 1.3):
1. Panned raw guitar track to the left.
2. Set up reverb plugin in Aux bus A.
3. Highlighted Aux bus A in guitar track.
4. Assigned Aux bus A to virtual main B.
5. Panned virtual main b hard right.
6. Assigned virtual main B to output 1,2 on my sound card (Same as virtual main A)

As fate would have it, the song I'm working on has a Van Halen type riff in the verse, a la Mean Street. I may post a snippet tomorrow, but it's late now. Goin ta bed.
Sounds the nuts! I am a genius!:D

And BTW, this ought to work pretty well w/vocs, too.
 
Redkid53

At the bottom of your link page is a tip on using the Tape Saturation plug in in Sonar. I agree with the author that this is a great way to fatten up the vocal. This is a very versatile plug in for warming up the sound.
 
gocyrus

Thanks for the great links. Im now and will surely stay in the vocally challenged group as you can hear from my link. I need all the help I can get!! :)
any suggestions or critics,besides , get someone else to sing are welcomed. Im also struggling with drums.

click this link for my first work in progress

http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/album.php?aid=1644&alid=-1
 
ChuckU said:
Yeah, Aaron. Van Halen is a great example. Well, I just went upstairs and played around a bit and I figured out how to do what I had asked in my previous post. Track on one side, effect on the other. Here's what I did (using sonar 1.3):
1. Panned raw guitar track to the left.
2. Set up reverb plugin in Aux bus A.
3. Highlighted Aux bus A in guitar track.
4. Assigned Aux bus A to virtual main B.
5. Panned virtual main b hard right.
6. Assigned virtual main B to output 1,2 on my sound card (Same as virtual main A)
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Chuck, if I understand what you want to do, why can't you just pan the Aux Bus 100% right. There are lots of creative ways to use the VMains, but I don't see why you need to do it in this case. Just pan the Aux Bus itself and leave it assigned to Main A.

I would probably do this pre-fader, and work the Return setting on the bus to set the "wet" volume to the right level. But I don't think there are any rules here, and you might want to play around with the settings (pre/post/send/return) until you get the sound you want. The only drawback to setting it pre-fader is that everytime you want to change the guitar level in the overall mix, you will have to work 2 controls (the track and the bus).

OMO (one man's opinion).
 
Thanks Mike, for your input. I knew you'd be able to weigh in on this.
I haven't played around with the pre/post fader thing. I know what you mean about having to manipulate 2 controls (a pain). I'm getting into "Sonar Power". I definitely need to understand mixers (real and virtual) better. I'm going to start to work the VMains for submixes and see where it takes me. Getting my desired affect through them was pretty exciting, though.
 
"click this link for my first work in progress

http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists...id=1644&alid=-1"

Sometimes less is more, get rid of all the vocal effects. Sit up close to the mic record it dry. Add a little verb, slight compression and it will sound better. Also, overall mix seems to have a slap back type echo happening. At least on my pc speakers it sounded like that, especially on the guitars. Not my cup of tea, too slow, too mellow, nothing grabbed me. But still not a bad piece of music.
 
Awesome thread! Great links and tips!
I tested this "double-track-guitars-and-pan-them-L-and-R" trick with my acoustic guitar last night and it is impressive how the sound gets powerful! :)
Thanks a lot!
 
ChuckU said:
Sorry to go off topic, but I think this effect could be used w/vocals also. (Aaron's fault:D )
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What? What did I do?!:D

How about this: Lead vocals center, reverb panned hard L, and a delay panned hard R. I've never tried that one before.

One thing I have done many times is ping-pong a delay by setting the right side to a tempo matched delay time and then setting the left side to half that, or double that.

Distressed vocals are kind-of all the rage right now, and I've had good luck w/ the CW Tape Saturation plug in that Middleman mentioned. I also use the CW Amp Sim on vocals all the time.

Aaron
http://www.voodoovibe.com
 
Chuck - I listened to snippet. Sounded pretty cool. I assume panning the bus worked at least as well as adding the extra Main and panning it?

I may need to get you to put some lead guitar on some of my stuff. :)
 
dachay2tnr said:
Chuck - I listened to snippet. Sounded pretty cool. I assume panning the bus worked at least as well as adding the extra Main and panning it?
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Absolutely. Thanks Mike.


I may need to get you to put some lead guitar on some of my stuff. :)
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Yeah. "I will love you in the Rain" could use a little Led Zeppelin riff. :D

BTW, your "In my Room" cover blows me away. I always liked that tune and you guys nailed it.
I wanted to tell you that since we're enemies this weekend (Sox/Yanks).
 
I wanted to tell you that since we're enemies this weekend (Sox/Yanks).
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I'm already envisioning Pedro shaking his head and staring at the ground as he's taken out of the game with 1 out in the 4th inning tonight. :)

your "In my Room" cover blows me away. I always liked that tune and you guys nailed it.
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Thanks. It helps when you can do a song in the original key (which we can't very ofter since we have no range left at our age.)

Yeah. "I will love you in the Rain" could use a little Led Zeppelin riff
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That song needs something. Maybe not zeppelin, but something to give it interest. Any ideas (besides keep your day job)?

I do want to add some harmony vocals to it, but haven't had the time lately. (Too busy dispensing recording advice. :) )
 
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