Fab4ever
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Geeze Tube, if I could tell my wife I was buying a mic from Stevie Nicks, she would actually agree with the purchase!
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DJL
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Give them all time... they'll most likely discover how great the Sennheiser MD441 really is sooner or later. 
subtractor
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Pad... Almost to 1k!
cominginsecond
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Who's complained about the NTK? I've never, ever heard anything bad about it anywhere. The worst I've heard is that it's a little sibilant on heavily compressed vocals, but what isn't? I admit I've never used a 441, but I don't buy the scenario you presented above.
Even if someone said the mic doesn't sound right or it doesn't suit them, who's to say they wouldn't say the same thing if they spent their cash on the 441? The NTK was simply not the right mic to use in your example above. Maybe an AKG C3000 or a CAD e200, but not an NTK.
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jslator
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cominginsecond said:
I think he's just saying that people tend to think that a large diaphragm condensor is the only mic worth buying, when in fact that there are a lot of dynamic mic's that are highly underrated. I can understand why people would think that if they get thier information solely from recording magazines and salesweasels. I love MD441's, MD421's, SM57's, SM58's, M88's, M201's, SM7's, EV635A's, etc., etc. They're some of the best mic's you can get in any price range, and they're all relatively cheap.
LONG LIVE DYNAMICS!
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DJL
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jslator said:
Nice mic locker... now you need a EV RE20 to add to that great mic locker of yours.
Mark7
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I have one of the newest mics in the Beyerdynamic family the M99. It too is fab! 
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jslator
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DJL said:Nice mic locker... now you need a EV RE20 to add to that great mic locker of yours.
Ooh yah, I want one of those!
I honestly think I could be totally happy with a locker full of nothing but dynamic mic's (as long as you include ribbons in that).
cominginsecond
Decentralized Media Mogul
I have never gotten a good vocal, acoustic guitar, or piano track out of my dynamics. Mind you, I've never used a 441, but I've used SM57s, SM58s, EV RE-20s, and 421s. The only thing dynamics are good for, IMHO, are drums, guitar amps, and intentionally low-fi vocals.
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jslator
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cominginsecond said:
What kind of a pre are you running those through?
cominginsecond
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Various pres: Mackie, Blue Tube, Joe Meek, Focusrite Penta, DMP3.jslator said:
I know what you're going to say: "If you have an RNP or a Vipre or something with variable impedence dynamics sound better!" Well, why should I do that when I can get a decent condensor and a decent pre and get better results?
This is all just my opinion by the way. I'm just not big on dynamics.
cominginsecond
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I especially hated the RE-20 on vocals and kick. It was cool looking but pretty much stunk up the joint. Maybe I had a bad one.
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jslator
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cominginsecond said:
Well, I wasn't going to say quite that. I don't have anything with variable impedence. I do have some pre's that seem to work far, far better with dynamics than something like a Mackie. The pre really does make a big difference.
Because if you can come up with $750 to $1,000 for a pre, it will make a whole range of cheap mic's (i.e. dynamics) sound really good.
Maybe not, but that's kind of like saying you're not big on high-performance sports cars when you've only ever tried them out in a parking lot. Once you've had one out on the highway and really opened it up you might have a different opinion.
BTW, I have gotten excellent results on things like piano, acoustic guitar and vocals with dynamic mic's. Usually I'm using them in the context of a mix, though. A dynamic might sound a little "blah" soloed, but in a mix it will often sound great.
eeldip
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it comes down to work styles too.
i like colored mics... and dynamics usually have a chunk of color. i find the mixing process a ton easier if you use a bunch of different dynamics for the bulk of the sound.
then i love just a sprinkle of condenser for something up front, fast, with tons of open top end.
and ribbons too have their own special place in a mix.
but a recording with a whole bunch of new sd and ld condensers sounds to me like a nightmare to mix with a totally out of control top and bottom. you can fix all that with some eq, but why bother...
i like colored mics... and dynamics usually have a chunk of color. i find the mixing process a ton easier if you use a bunch of different dynamics for the bulk of the sound.
then i love just a sprinkle of condenser for something up front, fast, with tons of open top end.
and ribbons too have their own special place in a mix.
but a recording with a whole bunch of new sd and ld condensers sounds to me like a nightmare to mix with a totally out of control top and bottom. you can fix all that with some eq, but why bother...
cominginsecond
Decentralized Media Mogul
That's why I prefer condensors on most instruments: you get what the instrument sounds like, more or less. That's also why I don't like toob gear. It's not accurate. The reason why I like the NTK is that, even though it's a tube mic it's fairly open and accurate, but has just a hint of musical color. Dynamics are almost always colored, and heavily so.eeldip said:
I would say the analogy is more like saying that I'm not into sports cars if I've only every used them for normal, highway use, rather than racing them. Whether you guys believe it or not, buying a grand per channel pre so that your 57 sounds great is not normal, and it's fair to judge dynamics on the basis of how they will be used under normal circumstances.
eeldip
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cominginsecond said:
yea, but throw a few instruments that sound good and natural soloed into a mix and you get a mess. they fight for space and sound bad and unnatural.
also, i think this may be total voodoo but, i prefer the high end on dynamics cause i think they complement shitty tweeters better. a sort of like to like (sypathetic magic) theory. a dynamic mic is a pretty similar beast to a tweeter, so high end sounds better with them.
to me there is nothing worse than a harsh top.
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mixsit
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This strikes me as very usefull insight, and something I need to push myself to do more of. It's easy to fall into mostly using your 'best' or favorites, when all these natural curves and roll-offs are available.eeldip said:
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DJL
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This is a good thread... lots of good stuff. For the record, I'm a mic junkie so I like condenser, dynamic, tube, ribbon, you name it... if if sounds good I want one (or more).