Billisa!!!!

[robjh22]

Please see my "don't leave, Garry" thread, in which you are acknowledged as a possible source for info on my cd burning frustrations on the vf80. Please wax forth as abundantly as you have time for.

Note 3 problems: 1) picking up only 1 of 6 tracks on the CD;
2) guitar levels dropping noticeably when the singing tracks kick in; and 3) [not a problem, but an oddity] the internally generated noise I hear on the machine during playback is totally absent from the CD. Where did the noise go?

Yours appreciatively,

Rob

 

[billisa]

Please see my "don't leave, Garry" thread, in which you are acknowledged as a possible source for info on my cd burning frustrations on the vf80. Please wax forth as abundantly as you have time for.

Note 3 problems: 1) picking up only 1 of 6 tracks on the CD;
2) guitar levels dropping noticeably when the singing tracks kick in; and 3) [not a problem, but an oddity] the internally generated noise I hear on the machine during playback is totally absent from the CD. Where did the noise go?

Yours appreciatively,

Rob

I suspect the noise is in your headphones, not in the recording. Also, when you burn several tracks on a cd, you have to go through the menu and select each successive open track on the cd to burn each program onto. NON1; NON2; etc... I don't have the machine infront of me, so I hope this makes sense. Also, if you're saving as a wav, can you burn more than one program??? If doing a backup, you can't.

Here's another guess, related to your second question... When mastering, are you using the mastering effects (that are defaulted "on"?). These have compression, and I'm wondering if that's affecting your guitar tracks when the vocals start. Try mastering with the mastering effects off...

Hope this helps. I'll check back later to see how you're doing...

Bill

 

[robjh22]

Thansk, Bill, I'll give it a try and check back. Note that I am only talking about burning 1 song, i.e., 1 mastered program, onto the CD, and am failing to get all the tracks of that 1 program/song onto the CD.

I think the "NON1 NON2" business is for recording successive, independently mastered programs of multi-tracked music to successive tracks of the CD. Man, that manual is killing me!

 

[billisa]

Thansk, Bill, I'll give it a try and check back. Note that I am only talking about burning 1 song, i.e., 1 mastered program, onto the CD, and am failing to get all the tracks of that 1 program/song onto the CD.

I think the "NON1 NON2" business is for recording successive, independently mastered programs of multi-tracked music to successive tracks of the CD. Man, that manual is killing me!

Ok, I see more clearly now... Are you following this procedure... Bounce tracks 1-6 down to 7/8; then push the "master" button; now you are creating the master tracks (a whole new program) from 1-6. If so, then all 6 tracks have to be on the master. Make sure when you bounce down that all tracks (1-6) are activated (green button at top of track fader is lit...).

I'm guessing that you are not bouncing down 1-6 before attempting a master??? Maybe???

OOOOORRRRR is it that the program you are selecting for the CD burn isn't the new, mastered one (which will have a new program number and a name that begins with MST), but the original one you mastered from??? In other words: Say your original song is program #6... After you do a master, the fostex makes a new program for the master automatically placing it as the last program after all others (let's say it's #10). So when you burn, you have to select #10 as the intended program, NOT #6. Sorry if these suggestions are way off the problem.

Handy tip... When bouncing down, when you have your mix set where you want it, press the "SCENE (fader)" BUTTON. This saves your fader settings in the memory for later recall. Why? Because if you want to tweak your mix, instead of having to guess where everything was set all you do is press the shift key, plus the fader key, and the display will show you exactly where each fader was. If the display says the recall feature is disabled, then just go into the set-up mode, scroll down to "fader recall" and turn it on. It will give you a few option (I pick the "TRK&MST" option).

As to the fade-in/out of the guitar, I feel even more certain it has something to do with the mastering effects compression. Are you fiddling with the compression settings? On the tracks I sent you, only the techno spot used the mastering effects -- the "Flat" factory setting one. Usually I don't use the mastering effects.

Don't be discouraged. There are a wealth of features on the VF80 that at first can seem daunting. After a while of playing you realize how incredibly capable this machine is...

 

[robjh22]

All good questions, Bill. I think that yes, I did all the things you ask about. Unfortunately, this includes fiddling with compression settings w/o reason and, worse, w/o knowledge.

I'm starting over, and I ain't touching nothing -- no effects, no pan, no nothin, until I figure out how to get 1 song onto 1 cd.
baby steps!

--Rob


P.S. - Elsewhere we were talking about wav files. I learned this a.m. that a CD ripper (I downloaded one from the net and it is awaiting instructions -- too bad I got no content!) ) takes a CD music file, from any music CD, and creates a wav file from it, which is stored onto the computer. One extracts an mp3 from that wav file if one wants (as I do) to post mp3's on web sites or e-mail them to friends. All this as opposed to saving data as a wav file on the fostex first, which is possible. Presumably one would want to create a wav file on the machine if one planned to export the data to a computer via S/pidf or stereo out jacks, i.e., if one did not have a CD burner. But what do I know? I'm a newb--holllldd it!! I just looked and the webmaster says I turned into a junior member today. I gotta be the oldest (51) junior on the block!

Little by little,

Rob

 

[billisa]

All good questions, Bill. I think that yes, I did all the things you ask about. Unfortunately, this includes fiddling with compression settings w/o reason and, worse, w/o knowledge.

I'm starting over, and I ain't touching nothing -- no effects, no pan, no nothin, until I figure out how to get 1 song onto 1 cd.
baby steps!

--Rob


Rob

Hey Rob,

I would touch the pan... otherwise you'll be making mono recordings. Do your pan settings while your bouncing down to 7/8. Then 7/8 will be true stereo waiting for mastering... I'll tell you, a video tutorial, or "dummies" book for the VF80 (or any othet DAW) would be worth its weight in gold!

I also think you may be telling the VF80 to burn the wrong song (program). Remember, the mastered version of a song is an entirely different program than the 6 track program it came from... Anyway, stay with it because soon others will visit this board and want some info from you... That's how it works. By the way, I'm 46 and gaining on ya!

 

[a12stringer]

I think I spotted a "Home Recording For Dummies" book at the local Hastings store!

 

[Bigsnake00]

haha

 

[Garry Sharp]

Bill you're a saint.

 

[robjh22]

ahem!

Alive. Alive! IT'S ALIVE!!!!! HOLY JUMPIN' SWEET MOTHER
OF ... IT WORKS, DO YOU HEAR ME!!! Look at me now, Ma! Here I am! I'm on top of the worrrrlllld! And I'm gonna sing: "Oh beautiful, for spacious ski--(COME ON, GARRY, you know you like that song! I mean, way deep down you do!)

Mooohoooohoooohooohahahahahahah! (Evil laugh) It works!

"Whatever do you mean, you demented fool?" the forum asks in anxious unison.

Well, I'll tell you, pals o' mine: I made a track.

"No! A whole track? Good, Rob!" exclaim my astonished tutors.

And then another. And then another. And on and on up to 6! And I bounced. Oh yes, all 6 of them mothers bounced like a drunk Turk on a Chinese trampoline. And then I "master to internal can with effects do chain 1 and 2 or not can" as the ignorant manual "explains". And then I re-read all your most excellent instructions. And then I burned, disco inferno burned me a friggin' CD and it came out a-SMOKIN' good, ALL SIX TRACKS, smokin' GOOD like an English hamlet after a Viking raid.

Ahem. Pardon the effusion, my seniors and betters. But I really thought the machine was defective. It wasn't! Rejoice! It works! And on the same day I became a junior member. (Sniff, sniff. I think I'll cry.)

Now ... where's that WAV to mp3 program? DON'T ANSWER THAT! Let me enjoy my fleeting moment in the sun.

THANK YOU ALL!!!

 

[billisa]

Re: ahem!

Alive. Alive! IT'S ALIVE!!!!! HOLY JUMPIN' SWEET MOTHER
OF ... IT WORKS, DO YOU HEAR ME!!! But I really thought the machine was defective. It wasn't! Rejoice! It works! THANK YOU ALL!!!

VF80's are never defective. It's not allowed. ;-) Congratulations!