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1tonio
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CC, ya got it backwards man 
CoolCat
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yeah.
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Ironklad Audio
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yea, but the behringer's are way totally more awesome cause the model number starts with a 2
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mrface2112
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i upgraded from m-audio SP5B's to Event ASP8's last summer. the SP5B's were my favorites of all of the m-audio monitors and i managed to make them work pretty decently for me while i used em (a testament to "learn what you're not hearing").
but when i made the switch, there was an immediate difference in quality and in terms of what i'm hearing--and my mixes responded in kind. like middleman said, when the mix is done on the ASP8's, you KNOW it's done.
the best thing i can say about the ASP8's is that when your mix sounds good on them, it'll sound good anywhere else. instead of mixing "against" the monitors (and trying to get things to sound good on em), the ASP8's are a joy to work on. they let you know immediately when something sounds like crap--and also when something sounds great. i find them very easy to mix on and when you get your mix really kickin, it's gonna sound great anywhere else.
i just can't say enough about how much fun they are to work on and just to listen to music on. i auditioned most of the similarly priced competitors and found the ASP8's to be the best match for me, my room and the way i like to work. i did NOT like the mackie hr824's at ALL--the high end was hyped, there was a hole in the mids (right around where the crossover is) and the bass was way overinflated. mixing on the 824's was a struggle for me. YMMV.
sure there are better monitors out there than the ASP8's, but i don't see myself really ever needing them. if you can't get a kickin mix on the ASP8's, the problem isn't in the monitors.
i can't imagine needing a sub with em, either......if you don't get enough bass out of the ASP8's, you've got a major problem with your room. The ASP8's will definitely kick you in the chest assuming your room has ample bass trapping.
cheers,
wade
but when i made the switch, there was an immediate difference in quality and in terms of what i'm hearing--and my mixes responded in kind. like middleman said, when the mix is done on the ASP8's, you KNOW it's done.
the best thing i can say about the ASP8's is that when your mix sounds good on them, it'll sound good anywhere else. instead of mixing "against" the monitors (and trying to get things to sound good on em), the ASP8's are a joy to work on. they let you know immediately when something sounds like crap--and also when something sounds great. i find them very easy to mix on and when you get your mix really kickin, it's gonna sound great anywhere else.
i just can't say enough about how much fun they are to work on and just to listen to music on. i auditioned most of the similarly priced competitors and found the ASP8's to be the best match for me, my room and the way i like to work. i did NOT like the mackie hr824's at ALL--the high end was hyped, there was a hole in the mids (right around where the crossover is) and the bass was way overinflated. mixing on the 824's was a struggle for me. YMMV.
sure there are better monitors out there than the ASP8's, but i don't see myself really ever needing them. if you can't get a kickin mix on the ASP8's, the problem isn't in the monitors.
i can't imagine needing a sub with em, either......if you don't get enough bass out of the ASP8's, you've got a major problem with your room. The ASP8's will definitely kick you in the chest assuming your room has ample bass trapping.
cheers,
wade
Freudian Slip
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Thanks for the input Mrface,
Just so I know, what style of music are you mixing?
I'm going to go to the box store and make my choice soon. It's sounding more and more like the asp8's. The Mackies scare me with the hyped hi's I tend to mix too dark on my BX8's once in a while even with the hi's adjusted down.
I don't mind alot of bass cause I love to mix with thump and still have it translate well which the bx8's don't do for me. Mainly I am looking for balance I guess.
Well I am going to make up a CD for the task of picking and I think GC will let me return what I get if they don't fit my room.
I am going to listen to the Bm5a's, the A7's, hr824's & the asp8's at the very least.
Can't waite!!
F.S.
Just so I know, what style of music are you mixing?
I'm going to go to the box store and make my choice soon. It's sounding more and more like the asp8's. The Mackies scare me with the hyped hi's I tend to mix too dark on my BX8's once in a while even with the hi's adjusted down.
I don't mind alot of bass cause I love to mix with thump and still have it translate well which the bx8's don't do for me. Mainly I am looking for balance I guess.
Well I am going to make up a CD for the task of picking and I think GC will let me return what I get if they don't fit my room.
I am going to listen to the Bm5a's, the A7's, hr824's & the asp8's at the very least.
Can't waite!!
F.S.
Middleman
Professional Amateur
Just some comments on the Dynaudio as I tested these against the ASP8s for about an hour prior to buying. They have a very detailed midrange which is great for mixing, however, they do not have the depth and width of the Events. You can hear ambiance on the ASP8s, like reverb depth and subtle side to side delays, that the Dynaudios do not reveal.
The Dynaudios are very accurate for the crucial midrange, slightly better than the Events on this one task. However the overall frequency range from low to high, as well as ambiance is better represented on the ASP8s.
The Mackies? If you like mush in your low end then these are for you. Midrange and above they are fine but below 200Hz it's a guessing game. They have a very "in the room" type of sound but ambiance sculpting is impossible because they just don't present depth and width details.
The Dynaudios are very accurate for the crucial midrange, slightly better than the Events on this one task. However the overall frequency range from low to high, as well as ambiance is better represented on the ASP8s.
The Mackies? If you like mush in your low end then these are for you. Midrange and above they are fine but below 200Hz it's a guessing game. They have a very "in the room" type of sound but ambiance sculpting is impossible because they just don't present depth and width details.
Freudian Slip
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Middleman said:
Thanks
Ya I have rear ports right now and I'd like to stay away from that. I realize the mackies have a passive resonater (in the rear) not just a port, but in my room I think I'd still be better staying away from that.
Only thing on the asp8's that I worry about with the front porting is that I might want to be a little further from the speakers. About the max I will be able to do is 4 feet for now and that's stretching it. I'll just have to listen. Luckily the GC closest to me has about the same volume of room as I am working in.
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mrface2112
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FS--
I mix mostly rock (guitars/bass/drums/vox/organ, etc) with real instruments and players, but also a smattering of electronic stuff too--VST instruments and the like. of course, rock is defined loosely--metal, jamband, "classic" rock, all that sorta stuff i consider to be "rock".
i also do a lot of singer/songwriter type stuff too--vocals and acoustic guitar.
some people think that the ASP8's are "too nice" to listen to. I can appreciate that sentiment......but IMO it's very easy to tell when the sound you're listening to doesn't quite cut it.
do keep in mind that accurate (and "big") bass response is going to be largely dependent upon the acoustics of your room and how well it's treated. the ASP8's are quite flat across the board, but getting a balanced response is going to largely depend upon your room.
you also will not really get a true feel for how well a monitor's going to work for you by auditioning them at the "big box" guitarmart. the only way to truly audition monitors is by doing so in your space and getting a feel for mixing on them.
either way, i suspect you'll notice a considerable difference between them and the BX8's. FWIW, i liked the original BX8's better than the BX8A's myself.
cheers,
wade
I mix mostly rock (guitars/bass/drums/vox/organ, etc) with real instruments and players, but also a smattering of electronic stuff too--VST instruments and the like. of course, rock is defined loosely--metal, jamband, "classic" rock, all that sorta stuff i consider to be "rock".
i also do a lot of singer/songwriter type stuff too--vocals and acoustic guitar.
some people think that the ASP8's are "too nice" to listen to. I can appreciate that sentiment......but IMO it's very easy to tell when the sound you're listening to doesn't quite cut it.
do keep in mind that accurate (and "big") bass response is going to be largely dependent upon the acoustics of your room and how well it's treated. the ASP8's are quite flat across the board, but getting a balanced response is going to largely depend upon your room.
you also will not really get a true feel for how well a monitor's going to work for you by auditioning them at the "big box" guitarmart. the only way to truly audition monitors is by doing so in your space and getting a feel for mixing on them.
either way, i suspect you'll notice a considerable difference between them and the BX8's. FWIW, i liked the original BX8's better than the BX8A's myself.
cheers,
wade
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mrface2112
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FWIW, the ASP8's really are more mid-field monitors rather than near-field. i wouldn't want to get really any closer than 4ft to them b/c the image collapses.
and like middleman, one of the very first things i noticed was how well i could see into things like reverb tails, and things like subtle compression are very noticible. they've got excellent depth and when properly setup, there's no mistaking where things are in the stereo field.
as for the midrange....yeah, they do seem a little "weak" compared to some of the others in the class (like the Adams). I found that in order for them to translate, i needed to have things like hard-panned guitars be a little louder in the mix than i thought. maybe it's my room. but either way, it makes me glad i kept my M-audio SP5B's, b/c this is exactly where they excel. so i do a spot-check on the SP5B's and if everything's good there, then it's ready to go.
cheers,
wade
PS--if you want, you can check out a couple mixes i've done on them recently:
hard rock: "Shame"
mostly electronic: "The Parson's Lament"
"softer" rock: "Mascara"
instrumental rock: "Roses By the Moon"
and like middleman, one of the very first things i noticed was how well i could see into things like reverb tails, and things like subtle compression are very noticible. they've got excellent depth and when properly setup, there's no mistaking where things are in the stereo field.
as for the midrange....yeah, they do seem a little "weak" compared to some of the others in the class (like the Adams). I found that in order for them to translate, i needed to have things like hard-panned guitars be a little louder in the mix than i thought. maybe it's my room. but either way, it makes me glad i kept my M-audio SP5B's, b/c this is exactly where they excel. so i do a spot-check on the SP5B's and if everything's good there, then it's ready to go.
cheers,
wade
PS--if you want, you can check out a couple mixes i've done on them recently:
hard rock: "Shame"
mostly electronic: "The Parson's Lament"
"softer" rock: "Mascara"
instrumental rock: "Roses By the Moon"
Freudian Slip
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Thanks.
I'm just going to have to make the best judgement I can there and hope they work for my room. either way front porting should be to my advantage.
Gonna have to do some messureing in my room though.
thanks again for your take.
Haven't listened to all but roses by the moon has a very nice sound.
I might burn some of your mixes and try them on another system to see how they compare to on my mopnitors.
F.S.
I'm just going to have to make the best judgement I can there and hope they work for my room. either way front porting should be to my advantage.
Gonna have to do some messureing in my room though.
thanks again for your take.
Haven't listened to all but roses by the moon has a very nice sound.
I might burn some of your mixes and try them on another system to see how they compare to on my mopnitors.
F.S.
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mrface2112
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Thanks mate, "Roses" is one of the ones i'm most proud of. It's got lyrics, but i haven't managed to sing em worth a damn yet. 
if you can manage to, keep the ASP8's away from a wall. i know some monitors (like the SP5B's i've got) want to be near walls to help their low end out. putting the ASP8's near a wall doesn't work so well.
good luck!
cheers,
wade
if you can manage to, keep the ASP8's away from a wall. i know some monitors (like the SP5B's i've got) want to be near walls to help their low end out. putting the ASP8's near a wall doesn't work so well.
good luck!
cheers,
wade
Freudian Slip
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mrface2112 said:Thanks mate, "Roses" is one of the ones i'm most proud of. It's got lyrics, but i haven't managed to sing em worth a damn yet.
if you can manage to, keep the ASP8's away from a wall. i know some monitors (like the SP5B's i've got) want to be near walls to help their low end out. putting the ASP8's near a wall doesn't work so well.
good luck!
cheers,
wade
Hmmm. I'd have thought the asp8's would not care as much about walls with the front porting. I guess if the cabnit resonates alot it could be an issue. I have rear ported BX8's pretty close to foam (I know, I know) treated walls and don't have an issue. I like to hear alot of bass when mixing, I know it's wrong, but I get my best mixes that way. Keeps me from over bassing the mix.
Any way we will see. Should be snaging something in the next few days. I will remix a couple of previously mixed songs and see how they translate.
Size of my room is not looking real great for the ASP8's at the moment. After meassuring it looks like I will have a hell of a time getting 4 feet away.
F.S.
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mrface2112
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i think you'll be ok under 4ft. you'll just have to learn how things sound with em like that. they've got a very wide sweet spot, which is why i call them more midfields than nearfields.
i measured last night, and i've got mine exactly 4ft apart. mine are about 2ft from a wall, and everything's fine.
cheers,
wade
i measured last night, and i've got mine exactly 4ft apart. mine are about 2ft from a wall, and everything's fine.
cheers,
wade
Freudian Slip
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Well We will hust have to see. I am goint to have to take a mix I've done and some other good mixes and move around the room a bit. I will be pretty close to my wall' but I'm used to that. They have got to be better about that than the BX8's.
We will see. Going to keep the pro audio guy busy for a while;
Taking my little mag light so I can check the room tuning switches
Not that I don't trust GC
F.S.
We will see. Going to keep the pro audio guy busy for a while;
Taking my little mag light so I can check the room tuning switches
Not that I don't trust GC
F.S.
CoolCat
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Middleman said:
I did this today, and never really listened to the ASP8's before. And yeah they were extremely nice. A bit more money, $200approx., than the DYN's, but they did pull off the 8" without losing the mids. The front ports are nice for smaller rooms and reducing the back-wall effect.
A negative imo, is the ASP8's are getting pretty big, physically.
ASP8's are very,very nice sounding.
yeah the DYN's didn't sound as good today, and the JBL's still a fine speaker has a more treble than I personally care for, the 6" and 8" the same, so I suspect the same tweeters. Its all subjective of course to the persons taste.
one thing, I don't like hearing on the DYN's and any $1,000 range speaker is.."well, you probably still need to buy a sub." for $1000, I don't want to hear I need to buy anything!
spent more time jumping from 6" to 8", its a hard trade off between adding bass and losing some mids (or the extra bass just happens to appear to be reducing the mid's)...but the ASP8's probably don't need a sub, near as much.
For me not at all.
But then the BX5A and a Sub, or the Blue Sky (sub + satellites) are $500 and you get the full range. Let's say 5" and sub would be another approach that would capture the bass too.
Before leaving I almost bought some BX3's for my son, and upgrade form the crap pc speakers he has. But the pair I heard...er.....didn't hear, were a no go. 10 watts, of nothing. Not bi-amped as I understand it.
But there was NO VOLUME and the laptop was full blast and the speakers.
Maybe it was a bad pair? But the BX3 is a good argument that the label "STUDIO MONITORS" doesn't mean shit.
Freudian Slip
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I think it's fair to say you have a real monitor fetish Coolcat
When I was searching around you where on almost every monitor thread
I'm going tommorow ! I almost talked my self into getting another Echo Layla, a few more mic's and a pre. Been having real good luck with my BX8's lately. Finally re-learned them after treating my room, but one of them has an intermitent physical amp hum. Not coming out the speaker but a vibration from the amp it's self. It's super quiet, but I'll be damed if I'm going to be caught with only my proto-j's if my BX8's take a crap
I figure I'll get one of those Pro Co Switch Witch's. Mmmmmmm speeeeeekers Lot's of them!
Got my cd all ready to take up.
F.S.
When I was searching around you where on almost every monitor thread
I'm going tommorow
! I almost talked my self into getting another Echo Layla, a few more mic's and a pre. Been having real good luck with my BX8's lately. Finally re-learned them after treating my room, but one of them has an intermitent physical amp hum. Not coming out the speaker but a vibration from the amp it's self. It's super quiet, but I'll be damed if I'm going to be caught with only my proto-j's if my BX8's take a crap I figure I'll get one of those Pro Co Switch Witch's. Mmmmmmm speeeeeekers
Lot's of them!Got my cd all ready to take up.
F.S.
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mrface2112
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yeah, they're pretty big--i was surprised when i pulled them out of the boxes and put them up on the stands. they're heavy too, so make sure your worksurface can support themCOOLCAT said:
they are. but that's what i like about them--b/c if you can manage to get a mix sounding as good as your favorite commercial mixes, it's gonna sound GREAT.COOLCAT said:
it's the opposite of the NS10 "if you can make it sound good on these shitty sounding speakers" mindset. i guess that approach works for some folks, but i'd rather enjoy what i'm listening to and work on making it sound better.
plus, for tracking, i want immediate feedback as to whether the sounds we're getting are worth a damn. with the ASP8's, i know instantly whether the sounds are gonna pass muster.
i've had some "getting used to" issues with the ASP8s, predominantly in the mids. hard-panned guitar balances (for example) sound great on the monitors, but when bounced and taken elsewhere, they're a little low in the mix. i'm suspecting that it's my room that's lying to me.COOLCAT said:
personally, i can't imagine ever needing a sub with these things. if one is having bass issues with the ASP8's, they've definitely got a room problem.COOLCAT said:
AMENCOOLCAT said:
cheers,
wade
CoolCat
Well-known member
mrface2112 said:
and the playback systems "elsewhere" drive me crazy sometimes.
is it the mixes fault things aren't up to snuff? the room, as you said?
or the playback system?
yeah.. FreudianSlip...monitors, for me. I feel comfortable around here though with all the gear junkies...HAHAHA
Freudian Slip
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Well Went up today tested the all the speakers they had.
Brought home the ASP8, but I am not sure they will no tbe going back.
There where the best out of all that I listened to though. Makes me wonder if I should be dumping money at all on monitors right now.
First off all of the speakers where set up on book shelves against the wall with a shelf above them too (how much wors can you get). That right there should make the ASP's the hands down winner of the 8 inchers just for the fact of the front porting. There where the hands down winner between the jbl4328, hr824 and them selves. 2nd place going to the JBL's Listened to the Bm5A's on stands in the middle of the room and they did sound rather nice prehaps too nice like the jbls.
I haven't got the ASP8's totally arranged yet but I can tell you this.
It will be hard to tell when your bass is getting out of control from compression due to the fact they handle it so well. The cabnits and the room don't seem to light up when you go to far.
A good thing is that they are very detailed sounding compared to the other 8 inchers.
I am going to just have to set them up proper and mix a song or two on them before I know if they will stick around.
Another con I see is that 280 watts does not get you anywhere near 280 watts of volume before the flashing clip light hits. My ears may hashed from litening up there, but I have a set of BX8's setting right here and they pound you just as hard or harder..
Oh ya and the amp hum of the ASP8's is a bit annoying.
But it's all about the mix and I feel I can mix on these We will see to what degree of success and if any better than on my BX8's. I have many other things I'd like as well sooooo.
I don't think I could have mixed well on the mackies at all. massive resonance, but as mentioned the where set up like hell.
F.S.
Brought home the ASP8, but I am not sure they will no tbe going back.
There where the best out of all that I listened to though. Makes me wonder if I should be dumping money at all on monitors right now.
First off all of the speakers where set up on book shelves against the wall with a shelf above them too (how much wors can you get). That right there should make the ASP's the hands down winner of the 8 inchers just for the fact of the front porting. There where the hands down winner between the jbl4328, hr824 and them selves. 2nd place going to the JBL's Listened to the Bm5A's on stands in the middle of the room and they did sound rather nice prehaps too nice like the jbls.
I haven't got the ASP8's totally arranged yet but I can tell you this.
It will be hard to tell when your bass is getting out of control from compression due to the fact they handle it so well. The cabnits and the room don't seem to light up when you go to far.
A good thing is that they are very detailed sounding compared to the other 8 inchers.
I am going to just have to set them up proper and mix a song or two on them before I know if they will stick around.
Another con I see is that 280 watts does not get you anywhere near 280 watts of volume before the flashing clip light hits. My ears may hashed from litening up there, but I have a set of BX8's setting right here and they pound you just as hard or harder..
Oh ya and the amp hum of the ASP8's is a bit annoying.
But it's all about the mix and I feel I can mix on these We will see to what degree of success and if any better than on my BX8's. I have many other things I'd like as well sooooo.
I don't think I could have mixed well on the mackies at all. massive resonance, but as mentioned the where set up like hell.
F.S.