Best monitors approx $1000.00 to $1500.00

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Best monitors for $1000 to $1500

  • Mackie HR824's

    Votes: 3 9.7%
  • JBL LSR4328's

    Votes: 4 12.9%
  • KRK V8II's

    Votes: 4 12.9%
  • Event SP8

    Votes: 7 22.6%
  • Dynaudio BM5A

    Votes: 5 16.1%
  • Other (please say what and why)

    Votes: 8 25.8%

  • Total voters
    31
BX8 and ASP8...alright. Sounds like a good weekend ahead. Look forward to your test-drive post.

Didn't sound like anything else really caught your "ears"?
 
COOLCAT said:
BX8 and ASP8...alright. Sounds like a good weekend ahead. Look forward to your test-drive post.

Didn't sound like anything else really caught your "ears"?

Actually like I said the bm5'a did. Not a fair fight cause they where the only properly set up monitors in the whole place. but I did like them. A little worried about the low end though. I may yet end up with them.

The BX8's (not 8a's) have been very good. Poss the best powered monitors for the price I've ever heard. They will let you know when the bass is getting boomy, have tons of punch, very loud but a little harsh on the top and not as defined. The asp8's are not harsh up top at all but so clear and present that it spooks me a bit. It will take some getting used to for sure.

I will be putting them threw it for sure. I'll let you know.

F.S.
 
ah so you picked up the ASP8's. There is a hum from the amp? That sgives me concern. Is it loud FS?

I've had an eye out for them since there have been many personal reviews
(thanks Middleman and others), and they do seem stellar.
I am using the Event SP8's. In which has the same character Middleman, and many others have mentioned. The mids. Its like they are scooped where you want to differentiate the main melodic instruments. The low end is kinda muffy too. But since I treated my room they are workable after learning to understand where the low end needs to be. But the mids still has me confused, Phase issues just slide right on by without notice, until I use my 2nd set (Klipsch Heresey's) Its an old 3 way, but the horn makes its great to check the mids.

Anticipating your review FS!!

T
 
FS--amp hum? take that thing back--something's not right. mine are completely silent.

what you noticed about the compression on the low end is something that i absolutely love. there's no mistaking it and i find it really easy to know when too much is too much.

the highs are very smooth. it makes it easy to dial in ample amounts of 10, 12k and not have icepicks in your ears.

and it's always possible that the asp8s aren't the right ones for you. i knew right away that they were the right ones for me and the way i work. monitors are a very intimate choice.

it also kinda sounds like you're not sure monitors are what you need at the moment. if you're getting good results with the BX8's and you've learned to work with them, then new monitors may NOT be the correct upgrade at this time.

take the asp8s back (use the amp hum as an excuse if you have to) and get the dyns for a few days and do some work on them. then take the dyns back and get the jbls.

tonio, i wouldn't say scooped in the mids, really.....maybe not as "over-present"? i dunno, like i said, i've "adjusted" and it's not an issue for me anymore. but yeah, i think we're hearing the same thing. :D also, phase anomalies sound pretty evident to me--maybe you've got a cable out of phase?


cheers,
wade
 
Well MrFace, Both amps sound identical. It's a physical amp hum (not out the speakers. It's nothing loud or anything but it's there.

So far I have only found three things I don't like about them and none of them interfere with the job that the speakers are mad to do. I am going to try to find a song to load up and mix today.

On the positive I can say that the detail on these is pretty amazing.
A solo'd snare hit is no longer one sound. It's the stick hitting the head. The ring of the head, the wires rattling, the sound of the room. I mean these things crawl up the snares butt and check for survivors....erhhh well you know what I mean :D

I also noticed I can hear what I am doing with the eq better than before. Adjustments where not as noticeable on the BX8's.

That's all I have for now. Once I mix a song I will give a full reveiw.

OH ya did I say HUGE sweet spot! you could actually move around the room with these to check the mix and have it be usefull. Not so with the BX8's.
Any one not sitting in the mixing chair with the BX8's will think you have lost your mind and should never be allowed to mix again :) With the ASP8's you are free to mix to the delight of a cheering crowd :D

F.S.
 
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Well I got mine new for $1150.00.

I guess it's a matter opinion. I have not made one yet as far as that goes.
I wish I could say that the ASp8's are over twice as good as my bx8's that cost me $400.00 new (right before the bx8a's came out).
As with anything I think the rule of vanishing returnes applys once you get past a certain price point. It does not help that the BX8's are pretty exceptional for the price either.

I personally would pay $1150.00 new from GC over $1000.00 resealed threw the mail just for the fact that I can be rid of them and into something else with just a 30 minute drive, for the next 30 days at least.

You're going to have to let me get a mix under my belt before I will be willing to say money well spent or not.

Right now I'm listening to mixes that I know, some with problems so that I have an idea what to watch out for when I do a mix on them.

F.S.
 
If you bass trap your room, you will hear twice the difference over the BX8s.
 
Middleman said:
If you bass trap your room, you will hear twice the difference over the BX8s.

Oh, I have some decent treatment. I am just getting into things now. There is a big difference no doubt. I am just learning them still though. I( am not going to say much because I will be writing a little review later.
I am going to have to do more treatment at some point due to the fact I had to move some PA speakers out of my control room that where covering one wall. Now it's just a big blank wall.

I have a queen size sheet of that NASA memory foam (it's very dense).
My plan is to take it to the best studio in town and hang it on their wall for a week or so. Then I can bring it back and put it up. With any luck it will remimber what a big buck studio sounds like;)
Even if it doesnt it will be better than that bare wall for now.


Thanks Middleman.

F.S.
 
FS, please post you room size and treatments when the review is ready.

$1150, good deal !! hmm Bm5's @ $999 ** don't forget GC has the compacts **

mrface, The phase I was speaking of is more about the tone while tracking/mixing , not actual phase issues. With the PS8's I could bearly hear it, and not able to accurately eq out the harshness. Slap it on my alternatives (Klipsch) and I can dial in w/ eq.

T
 
The GC in Dallas has the regulars. I measured them.
Its easy to tell per the dimensions.

the BM5A are 12.5 inches
the BM5A Compacts are 10.2 inches

The LED's are further to the left on the Compacts too.
 

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Ok here’s my take on the ASP 8’s

I hope someone finds this of some use :D I thought about posting a new thread, but figured peopel can find it here.

So you know.
I am in a 10 X 12 room give or take with 3 inch foam on curved panels covering 2/3 of the wall behind the speakers and a huge comforter spaced out from the wall covering ¾ of the rear wall. There are some extra foam panels on the sidewalls to either side of the speakers.


Picture link
http://www.funnelhead.net/stud030307.jpg

I previously was using BX8’s so you can assume any comparisons are to them unless stated otherwise.

I am enjoying the aps8’s in a lot of ways. The frequencies do not seem to smear together at all like on the bx8’s. As soon as I had played enough reference material to get to know them I popped in a mix I had been working on that I was convinced was pretty much complete. I listened to the mix and knew right away that there where adjustments to be made. I heard transient problems in the mix and knew what instrument was making them, where as before I might have had to do some muting and soloing to hone in on the problem.
I heard muddiness and knew what track or tracks where contributing. I guess what I am getting at is that these speakers really do capture detail that I did not know I was missing. They have the ability to reproduce the mix with out frequencies melding together into a mixture. Blue and yellow next to each other stay blue and yellow, they don’t become green where they meet. I can hear eq adjustments I am making in no uncertain terms. Before I often would check to see if I had brought up the wrong eq for the track I was tweaking because some times it sounded like no change was being made.
I think that the frequency separation that these speakers achieve contributes to the mid scooped sound that people describe.

The sweet spot: When the say these have a large sweet spot they are not kidding! The sweet spot on these is huge and off axis listening is so much better than the bx8’s it’s not even comparable. If you are mixing for money with the band in the room these would be a great choice to keep from having to explain time and again how what they are hearing is not even close to what you are hearing. Yes it’s different off axis than on but it’s mild compared to any monitor I have heard that can consider it’s self a near/direct field.

The cone on the asp8 has aproxamently a 7 ¼ inch diameter usable cone area (excluding suspension). By comparison the bx8 has a 6 ¾ inch diameter area.

The power: 280 watts of power is a lot. Yes they are loud. 280 watts loud????? Not to me. I turned these up to normal cranking out volumes and listened for a while. I then decided to give them a good test run. Shortly there after I was met by the flashing clip light in the speaker bezel. I never heard any glitch in the sound just saw the light. To be fair there where lots of power sucking lows going on.

The lows: These things have the lows in spades. They reach way down there and reproduce it very well. They are not punch machines. If you want it punchy you will have to count on your mix. There will be no magic transformation on your behalf by the asp8’s. The ability to reproduce punchy bass is fully there but they will not create it for you. This I like! I have a clearer picture of my mixes because of it.
The down side of the bass reproduction on the asp8’s is that they do a little to good of a job. If you are expecting a gross resonance to crop up when you dial in a bunch ugly bass, don't hold your breath. Bad bass was easy to spot on the bx8’s. The ugly swelling resonance was apparent and unpleasant. The asp8’s seem to do what you ask of them with out much if any griping. I tested this with a mix posted here by a user (that someone did for him) with ridiculous amounts of bad bass in it. On the bx8’s it was unlistenable, on the asp8’s they pulled it off. You heard what was recorded with out the speakers or room having a fit about it. You heard a pretty well mixed song that happened to have the lowest of the lows in it. My guess would be that a subharmonic processor had been used in mastering.

The ability to pull off large amounts of ungodly low frequencies is my biggest worry with the asp8’s but, if you have experience and know how to manage your lows it should not be a problem. A newbie on these monitors could make some really rancid mixes on the low end. I can hear the bad low end on these speakers fine, it just doesn’t sound near as bad. In fact it sounds totaly clear and clean. There will be a bit of a learning curve for me, but I don’t anticipate any problems.

Edit: I guess I should mention placement. some say these are a bit much for a small room, but I have had no problems. The front make them alot more friendly twards walls to the rear than their main competitors seemed when testing before purchase.


My nit picking dislikes: The speakers click about 1 second after you turn them off. The amps are not physically dead silent. They do not hiss out the speakers, the amps do have a slight physical hum though. I am sure two large front ports do not help;) At 3 feet back I can not hear them. My audio treated computer with special fans and all that crap is wayyyyyyyyy louder.


Well that’s all I can think of. I am open to questions and can tell you more about how and why I picked them if you’d like.



F.S.
 
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nice! you sound a LOT like me describing the asp8s right after i bought em and had a week or so with em. it's really quite scary. ;)

the way i handle the "lots of bad bass" issue is by referencing my m-audio sp5b's. they can NOT handle "lots of bad bass" (they crap out and get "farty"). of course, once you get used to the asp8's and learn where the bass needs to be on them in order for them to translate well, you don't really need to do that......but i'm in complete agreement with you here. i've also got a cheap RCA boombox that i use for checking mono compatibility and making sure there are enough mids in the kick and bass to cut through.

given the wide sweet spot, you can understand why i called them more "mid field" than "near field", eh? ;)

i noticed the same sorts of frequency deliniations that you're noticing. once you get more mixes under your belt on em, you'll start to hear the same things with compression and reverbs too. VERY easy to compress bass and kick on these things.

in fact, i can hear reverbs so clearly now that i have a hard time applying much of any reverb to anything, b/c it's so present. it makes some of those 70's and 80's mixes that we're all used to, sound....well.....kinda like the TidyBowl Man. :D

i'm a big fan of Steely Dan, and listening to some of their music on the ASP8s reveals all kinds of processing and such on the vocals that i never knew was there before. kinda makes it stand out like a sore thumb.

congrats, and i promise, as you work with them more, you will grow to love them more and more every day. there are some days where i go downstairs to work on a mix or do some recording and end up putting on Hemispheres or 2112 and just vegging out enjoying the sounds instead.


cheers,
wade
 
mrface2112 said:
nice! you sound a LOT like me describing the asp8s right after i bought em and had a week or so with em. it's really quite scary. ;)

the way i handle the "lots of bad bass" issue is by referencing my m-audio sp5b's. they can NOT handle "lots of bad bass" (they crap out and get "farty"). of course, once you get used to the asp8's and learn where the bass needs to be on them in order for them to translate well, you don't really need to do that......but i'm in complete agreement with you here. i've also got a cheap RCA boombox that i use for checking mono compatibility and making sure there are enough mids in the kick and bass to cut through.

given the wide sweet spot, you can understand why i called them more "mid field" than "near field", eh? ;)

i noticed the same sorts of frequency deliniations that you're noticing. once you get more mixes under your belt on em, you'll start to hear the same things with compression and reverbs too. VERY easy to compress bass and kick on these things.

in fact, i can hear reverbs so clearly now that i have a hard time applying much of any reverb to anything, b/c it's so present. it makes some of those 70's and 80's mixes that we're all used to, sound....well.....kinda like the TidyBowl Man. :D

i'm a big fan of Steely Dan, and listening to some of their music on the ASP8s reveals all kinds of processing and such on the vocals that i never knew was there before. kinda makes it stand out like a sore thumb.

congrats, and i promise, as you work with them more, you will grow to love them more and more every day. there are some days where i go downstairs to work on a mix or do some recording and end up putting on Hemispheres or 2112 and just vegging out enjoying the sounds instead.


cheers,
wade

Ya, I don't think I'll have much problem with the bad bass issue. I've been around long enough to know where to throw a hi-pass ;) And you hear the the bad bass still, it just doesn't sound near as bad. Sounds like low frequencies, not cabnit & room resonance.

Funny you should mention the verb. That's one of the first things I messed with on the mix I was playing with:D I pulled verb from the vocals. I ended up putting it back later. It's going to be a little odd getting used to being able to add verb to the point you actually hear it in the mix instead of shooting for that and backing it down some.

Anyway. It's all about learning the speakers. I know I have improved the mix I worked on quite a bit in a short while and it traslated well.

One odd thing I found was that even though the hi's where more present in these speakers I still felt the need to bump it up a notch in the mix. And if somthing is boxy It's so clearly boxy. It's a very well defined boxyness :D
I think that drove some of my hi end adjustments.


Oh, did you adjust your hi's at all? I've got them 1db down and it's pretty good. Just wondering what your expieriance was.

Got to run, working on some panels for the live room AKA the other spare bedroom ;)




F.S.
 
Good to know of similar experiences as I would have to echo line per line your exact revelation.

One thing I stopped doing was dinking with my songs using headphones because I can get to the heart of a mix much faster using the ASP8s. The headphones are purely for checking now. There are few adjustments however once the mix is finished on the Events.

Enjoy and happy mixing.
 
Freudian Slip said:
My nit picking dislikes: The speakers click about 1 second after you turn them off. The amps are not physically dead silent. They do not hiss out the speakers, the amps do have a slight physical hum though. I am sure two large front ports do not help;) At 3 feet back I can not hear them. My audio treated computer with special fans and all that crap is wayyyyyyyyy louder.


F.S.

How load is the "hum" on these speakers compared to others you've heard? If they are as quiet as the KRK RP-8s then that's good enough for me.
 
GOODLAND said:
How load is the "hum" on these speakers compared to others you've heard? If they are as quiet as the KRK RP-8s then that's good enough for me.

Well I did not test the rp8's and when I was testing speakers they where all on at once. Put it this way. I have a very quiet computer and I just stuck my ear up to the speaker port and could not hear it over the computer. It seems they may have gotten quieter since I got them (if that's possible).

I would not let it be a factor in your desicion. It will not effect your mixing.
It just took me off gaurd because my bx8's where dead silent until recently when one developed a mild intermitent 60hz physical hum/vibration in the amp.

When I noticed the hum I had just fired them up for the first time and they where on a 2 X 7 shelf that may have served to amplify the hum??? How they are on stands looking all pretty ;)

I will reinterate. This is not coming out of the speakers. It is the noise of the electronics and is very quiet.

Hope that helps.

F.S.
 
Great info FS !! 10x14 ?? woah. I feel better now, I was thinking it may be too much in my 17x11x9. Though I do have 8'woofs already.

So I take it that you're keepn um? No dyny's?
 
1tonio said:
Great info FS !! 10x14 ?? woah. I feel better now, I was thinking it may be too much in my 17x11x9. Though I do have 8'woofs already.

So I take it that you're keepn um? No dyny's?

Well without painting my self into a corner here. I assume I will be keeping them. I still want to get a mix from scratch done, so I am looking for a song I want to record.

I do like them alot. I jsut was browsing my napster library and am astounded at the songs that sound great on these and even more the songs that are so obviously over compressed. Some songs I have listened to tons of times and never heard how grossly done they are.

F.S.
 
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