Behringer MX8000 power supply problem??

[MISTERQCUE]

Ok - don't shoot me before I speak, I've just had two new engines fitted in my wagon in the last two months, at stupid cost, and I'd love to buy a new mackie or similar, but first I've got to get the behringer mx8000 fixed - to do the work - to get the money - to pay for the motor and new mixer .....

Sorry, had to do the preface thing, I know there are a lot of [understandable] behringer slaters out there. Here's the detail ...

mx8000, working fine, then odd thing happens. My main solo/pfl [red] led goes on, with a selection of channel led's coming on [varying brightness - the -20 green ones]. At present, green led's are channels 1, 3, 5, 8, 10, 11, 12, 14, 17, 18, 20 and 23. Just switched ON/OFF afyter it happened again and it's all fired up fine. Not so good mid session though, obviously!!

... I'm sure there's someone out there who's had the same problem.

Believe me, if I had the money at the moment, I'd get rid immediately and get something 'more professional'. At this point in time, that's not possible.

I've been advised, and through internet search, it seems that it may be overheating, or the transformer is on the way out, or the 18v rail has a problem. I've noone local and reputable to take it to, so I'd rather work out what the problem is, before I get charged up to £250/US$500 for someone to fleece me and tell me it's stuffed.

I obviously get crackly audio through the monitors when it occurs, but the one really weird thing is that when it happens, and then when I SLOWLY flick the power switch OFF - then back ON on the power supply, the sound comes back - albeit for a moment half way across the switching [something discharging??]. Sometimes it happens after 5 minutes of power up, sometimes after 7 hours. I'm done with logic and common sense.

Any help appreciated - even bitching behringer comments if they're constructive to my situation!

As prev'ly stated somewhat, Beh-scum-ger's MX line are equipped with unnecessarily large pwr trnsformers which produce an excessive amount of heat with inadequate means of dissipation For some inexplicable reason, Beh
constructed a vent system so poor that rather than the heat to flow out & away from the unit's circuitry, it is instead spread thru the unit's circuit board
creating havoc followed by blowouts/power failures. Making matters worst was trying to figure out why in the world Beh-sux-ger would create "MX" mixers with no ON/OFF power switch (evidenced by the "2624"<or was it the 2426">).
In some cases, some have found relief from heat-buildup by incorporating a fan, others replacing the pwr transformer. My advice; trade it in for a ham & cheese sammich and a Barry Bonds baseball card.

 

[MCI2424]

As prev'ly stated somewhat, Beh-scum-ger's MX line are equipped with unnecessarily large pwr trnsformers which produce an excessive amount of heat with inadequate means of dissipation For some inexplicable reason, Beh
constructed a vent system so poor that rather than the heat to flow out & away from the unit's circuitry, it is instead spread thru the unit's circuit board
creating havoc followed by blowouts/power failures. Making matters worst was trying to figure out why in the world Beh-sux-ger would create "MX" mixers with no ON/OFF power switch (evidenced by the "2624"<or was it the 2426">).
In some cases, some have found relief from heat-buildup by incorporating a fan, others replacing the pwr transformer. My advice; trade it in for a ham & cheese sammich and a Barry Bonds baseball card.

The MX8000 has an external supply with good venting and a fan inside. If there are heat issues it is because the owner never cleans the fan filter.

The other MX mixers I don't know.

 

[dementedchord]

As prev'ly stated somewhat, Beh-scum-ger's MX line are equipped with unnecessarily large pwr trnsformers which produce an excessive amount of heat with inadequate means of dissipation For some inexplicable reason, Beh
constructed a vent system so poor that rather than the heat to flow out & away from the unit's circuitry, it is instead spread thru the unit's circuit board
creating havoc followed by blowouts/power failures..

minor point... it's not the size of the tranny... it does not heat up... it's the regulators and insuffcient heatsinking for them that's the problem... a larger tranny is in most cases an advantage in as much as it generally has a higher current capability... it's a small tranny that would get hot by trying to pass more than designed for... remember it's a current capability not a matter of limting and disipating what's not used...

 

[superspit]

minor point... it's not the size of the tranny... it does not heat up... it's the regulators and insuffcient heatsinking for them that's the problem... a larger tranny is in most cases an advantage in as much as it generally has a higher current capability... it's a small tranny that would get hot by trying to pass more than designed for... remember it's a current capability not a matter of limting and disipating what's not used...

you make a very valid and logical point DC, which I would say is 'more' factual....than MR Q's comments.
I wish MR Q could be as reasonable and as logical, as the points you made, in reference to the above stanza, that being the (or any) Power Supply size.
No offence MR Q...but I've seen many of your comments, and found that you have been corrected on more than one occassion when it comes to 'tech'......
But I guess I have been too.

 

[MCI2424]

you make a very valid and logical point DC, which I would say is 'more' factual....than MR Q's comments.
I wish MR Q could be as reasonable and as logical, as the points you made, in reference to the above stanza, that being the (or any) Power Supply size.
No offence MR Q...but I've seen many of your comments, and found that you have been corrected on more than one occassion when it comes to 'tech'......
But I guess I have been too.

You really have to be careful about neg rep of a product or company. It only takes a couple of people to bash stuff over and over again. Some stuff here has been bashed so much by the same people that the bad rep becomes "fact" for many others. I try stuff based on what it is and will it work for me. I have had some bad stuff and some great stuff. But, I have tried everything I have ever posted here. My Behringer MX8000 has been a great board with the same problem everyother cheaper board has........those cheap pre-amps that stack up like mud. They are passable if you are stuck with them, like the Mackie that was copied from. MrQ just got burnt and likes to bash Behringer. Everyone needs a hobby.

 

[MISTERQCUE]

You really have to be careful about neg rep of a product or company. It only takes a couple of people to bash stuff over and over again. Some stuff here has been . MrQ just got burnt and likes to bash Behringer. Everyone needs a hobby.

I wouldn't say "burn't", but I admit to be a Beh basher due the horrors I have exp'd working with it's gear. I have been put here on this earth to sav you all from wasting your money on Beh gear!

 

[boingoman]

I wouldn't say "burn't", but I admit to be a Beh basher due the horrors I have exp'd working with it's gear. I have been put here on this earth to sav you all from wasting your money on Beh gear!

My grandma used to talk the same way about computers when she couldn't figure out how to check her email. Maybe a little more practice and experience will change your jaded views.

 

[Silent Phoenix]

Behringer MX8000 -vs- M9000?

Hello all!
I am new and this is my first post so if I make errors in protocol please forgive me.

I am switching from a Tascam FW-1884 control surface after 6 years (used a cheap Roland control surface a year or so prior) to a standard 8 buss mixer and a Delta 1010. Never used anything but a control surface but am tired of the hideous customer service phone ?support? at Tascam (these guys are rude and should be working in a drive-thru asking if we want our drink and fries super-sized with our combo) and their lack of drivers for Vista and Win7. That said, I figure time to do PC recording like many others with a Delta 1010 (some use RME and the plethora of others) and a mixer.

Looked into Mackie, Tascam and kept coming back to Behringer. I know, they have the rep of ripping off other companies and making clones in sweat shops in China but, at the risk of being apathetic, I DON'T CARE! I care about the best bang for my buck, not political correctness and legalities. That's for the companies, their lawyers and the cour to worry about just as I'm sure the companies don't care if or how I pay my credit cards, mortgage or car payment.

I hear the original Behringer MX8000 24/8 is amazing and no different to the Mackie 24/8...actually better in that they accidentally or inadvertently solved the ribbon cable issue Mackie never cops to having but is well known. Some say the Mackie MX8000 is superior to the M9000 while others say the only difference is the change in aesthetics and a blue case. I am seeking this for my own private use, not a commercial studio where the demands and hours would be racked up much faster.

I guess my question is what are some of your feelings towards the M9000 (can have one for $600 shipped to me) and is there any real disadvantage in sound and function between it and the original MX8000?

PC user using Sonar 8.
Thanks!
Bill

 

[superspit]

Hello all!
I am new and this is my first post so if I make errors in protocol please forgive me.

..........................

Looked into Mackie, Tascam and kept coming back to Behringer. I know, they have the rep of ripping off other companies and making clones in sweat shops in China but, at the risk of being apathetic, I DON'T CARE! I care about the best bang for my buck, not political correctness and legalities. That's for the companies, their lawyers and the cour to worry about just as I'm sure the companies don't care if or how I pay my credit cards, mortgage or car payment.
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Thanks!
Bill

Hi Bill,
man, it's been a real 'time' since I've been here (I'm busy actually making music), but I found your post so refreshing that I felt good to respond.

Mate, I have owned the MX8000A (Behri) for almost 3 years now, and I'd like to tell you that it still impresses the hell out of me.....why?..because it let's me do the things that I need it to do, quietly and effectively.

Like you Bill, I couldn't give a F*** about who designed or copied whatever; I'm into creating, so I'm looking for quality and functionality at a 'reasonable' value at the same time........

In this 'product's' case, I found it....

Also, like you Bill, I use an external sound card (the Motu 24 i/o) for pain-free operation that is very versatile....a hybrid system, if you will.
I did enjoy using 2 linked Delta 44's for a couple of years!

Oh, I'm losing the point!....I love my MX8000A, and would not swap it for anything other than the same unit! (unless money was no object!)..and even then I'd prolly spend the casholla on better acoustic treatment and more rackmount outboards. (all of which are Behri and Yamaha).

(I've also bought 'under-performing' items from so called 'leading' brands!)

The diff b/w the 8000 and 9000?.....none, sonically speaking.....Meter Bridge and cable patching physically speaking.
I like the 8000 as I can access all connections from the top of the desk, the 9000 was rear connected...I'm always stuffing around with routing, so top socket mounts suited me better!


Anyways, loved your post, and let's just worry about getting the music down, not the 'politics' of a brand....I think that's where your coming from(?)


Cheers Bill!...oh, and *uckin raaawk-on!

 

[Silent Phoenix]

Hey thanks for the kind words and reassurance and the WELCOME!!!

I don't do message boards as a rule because most are either dominated by gear snobs and I'm just a broken down, 44 year old ex-Sunset Strip 80's rocker who does this in his basement trying to adjust to mid-West relocation. I end up with people talking/arguing Mac -vs- PC / Sonar -vs- Cubase......basically saying all is s**t if it ain't a Neve or similar and people are full of it using Behringer. I'm into making music.....not making Neve richer or mortgaging my home to have gear for people I will never meet to "approve of and go "ahhh and ohhh"!!.

I know the RME's and MOTU's enjoy a higher level than the Delta 1010 and may end up there...or just adding a second and third Delta 1010? I got mine used with the rack box (told to stay away from the 1010 LE) used, shipped for $165 when they list for $600. I figure it a good starting point along with the Behringer M9000 I locked up for $600 shipped. I figure I can still get $600-$700 maybe for my Tascam FW-1884. I liked the sound but no future for it beyond XP and am looking to build a new PC using Win7, which breaks the 4GB RAM issue so I can run 12GB which with a quad core processor should make for one kick ass machine!!!

Anyway, thanks for the good words and showing me I'm not alone in the world of "whatever gets the job done and to hell with names and corporate politics".
Bill

 

[superspit]

Hey thanks for the kind words and reassurance and the WELCOME!!!

I don't do message boards as a rule because most are either dominated by gear snobs and I'm just a broken down, 44 year old ex-Sunset Strip 80's rocker who does this in his basement trying to adjust to mid-West relocation. I end up with people talking/arguing Mac -vs- PC / Sonar -vs- Cubase......basically saying all is s**t if it ain't a Neve or similar and people are full of it using Behringer. I'm into making music.....not making Neve richer or mortgaging my home to have gear for people I will never meet to "approve of and go "ahhh and ohhh"!!.

I know the RME's and MOTU's enjoy a higher level than the Delta 1010 and may end up there...or just adding a second and third Delta 1010? I got mine used with the rack box (told to stay away from the 1010 LE) used, shipped for $165 when they list for $600. I figure it a good starting point along with the Behringer M9000 I locked up for $600 shipped. I figure I can still get $600-$700 maybe for my Tascam FW-1884. I liked the sound but no future for it beyond XP and am looking to build a new PC using Win7, which breaks the 4GB RAM issue so I can run 12GB which with a quad core processor should make for one kick ass machine!!!

Anyway, thanks for the good words and showing me I'm not alone in the world of "whatever gets the job done and to hell with names and corporate politics".
Bill

No worries Bill!...you sound just like me!....lol!

yep...Delta's can be chained...no probs, and they are rock-solid in this configuration, thanks to their software (just use the right one!).
The 9000 and say 4 x Delta's are a formidable array....and you get to plug in all 24 outputs and route them anywhere!..(I love having separate stereo/mono channels for my mix.....pretty good stuff for the cash!..and truely future-proof!....Glad you chose to steer away from the LE; it's fine, but has short comings with it's I/O...it suits some people's needs well though, just not in your potential config.

The biggest sonic change for me (other than new monitors and some acoustic treatment behind those newly placed monitors) was the Motu;..one rack does everything, and compliments the 8000 nicely....and it's very stable.
Still, the 1010 is great! (rack version).

I'm just rambling now....forgive me.....

But I think your gunna be just fine Bill.....and just be prepared (as I am) for some neg....it always seems to happen!..(and sometimes you get the good too!)......anyways, nice to meet you!

Cheers,
Mark.