Awesome Sounding Death Metal Project

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Cloneboy Studio said:
I'll dig up one of the early mixes that I had done before I started taking band input and show you what I had envisioned for the song. Probably won't be until after this weekend because I've got 2 new projects to start and another large one to finish in the next few days and putting up old mixes just isn't my top priority.
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Well, I whish I'd have that much work.. Recording and mixing stuff is the only way to learn, and for me there's not much work out there I'm afraid. I'm looking forward to hear such a mix, and I'm sure I'm not alone..

Best of luck.
 
Yeah but the difference between this mix and the typical Pantera "tight ass" sounding mix is very slight. Literally all you have to do is:

Chop off some more 200hz and add some 6.2khz on the kick for that clickiness; raise the rhythm guitar levels about 1.5db, remove the slight 3khz cut and shelf boost the high end; drop bass guitar level about 1db; more 5khz on toms; take room mics down about 3db and less to the reverb buss; and more 10khz and less 1.2khz, and lighten up the compression a tad on the snare.
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I think the 3rd tom would need to be panned 1.572 degress to the left as well.... and the B string on the rythym guitar should be raised .00376 Db in measure 49...... I mean, if you want the real Pantera sound....

Was the original post being sarcastic too??? It was hard to tell... :confused:

That said, I thought the mix was pretty good, female vocals sucked, but I don't really know the definition of an "Awesome' mix... my wife makes an "AWESOME' meatloaf though.... :D

I'm looking forward to hearing Cloneboy's mix, without the compromises sought be the band.... that might be 'awesome'..
 
I just re-read some of this thread, and wanted to thank Cloneboy for taking a considerable amount of time to to respond and detail the techniques and equipment used in this recording. Some of the posts are VERY detailed, and longer than I would have taken the time to write.

For that, thanks Clone... :)

Also, the link is posted at http://maumeeguitar.com/....
Is that you???
 
I'm surprised you don't already know this... to be honest.
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I never questioned your abillity to change the sound with slight Eq boost/cuts. I know that you could make those kicks etc clicky if thats what the drummer had wanted. If you think the mix is on par with a pantera album, I believe you are greatly mistaken....to be honest. Thats how your post seemed to me, perhaps I misunderstood you.
 
Wireneck said:
If you think the mix is on par with a pantera album, I believe you are greatly mistaken....to be honest.
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Hell no it's not on par with a Pantera album!!! Not even close. Not in the same ballpark or league. Nothing like it at all. I'd never want to compare my stuff with a Pantera sound.

The reason being is that I cannot stand how Pantera albums sound. The production is pure shit and I cringe whenever some band wants "that" sound. The only thing worse than Pantera is that early Ross Robinson/Korn sound.

So yeah, I'd never insult myself by saying my mix is on par with a Pantera album--it's at least twice as good.

Sorry, but I can't stand that clicky, trebly, triggered, juvenile mess known as Pantera. I don't get why people like Pantera--never have. Bunch of fat Exhorder clones. It's like 80's hair metal production for kiddy thrash or something... it's just godawful. It makes me want to give someone a primal concrete wedgie.
 
Well at least we all know now that Cloneboy hasn't changed much since his last "I'm a pro and if I really wanted to I could mix better than this" pissing contest.

:rolleyes:
 
vestast said:
Well at least we all know now that Cloneboy hasn't changed much since his last "I'm a pro and if I really wanted to I could mix better than this" pissing contest.
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No, it's just that I can't stand how Pantera albums sound and am at a loss to why so many mettleheadz think it sounds "kewl."
 
Did I ever say in any of my post that Pantera albums were gods gift to engineering? I just said that your work was not on par with one. To each his own I suppose. I know this is going absolutely nowhere so I will attempt to leave it at that. Thanks for sharing with us Cloneboy.
 
I'm sorry but if you are going to exclaim that Pantera albums are collectively "pure shit" then I think you have some kind of dangerous superiority complex.....

So what you're saying is that :
1. You posted an "awesome" metal song that most people had to strain to call "somewhat good"..... ;)
2. They are obviously wrong.....and
3. A legendary band with legions of fans who worship the sound of their albums are also wrong - because.....
4. They are "pure shit". :rolleyes:
5. They are pure shit because you could have done it much better. :p
6. Your unanimously disappointing metal production is "Awesome" because it is so in tune with what the band wanted, rather than metal fans. ;)
7. Pantera's albums were overseen and ultimately totally produced by the band and must obviously also represent "what the band wanted" .....yet....
8. They are "pure shit" :rolleyes:
9. Because ultimately they represent what metal fans wanted (as evidenced by your statement of metalheadz thinking it's kewl), rather than you....??
am I reading that correctly??? :confused:

Do you recognize any kind of trend here? :rolleyes:

I could almost swallow the rest of this stuff until It came to this.
If I may reiterate a previous statement made in this thread:
Get Over Yourself! :)

Disclaimer:
If you are straight up taking the piss just to get people annoyed then by all means I congratulate you because that is extremely convincing! ;)
I salute you for your finely-honed pompous asshole impersonation! :p
 
I'm not making any statement about the quality of Pantera's music, just the production and sounds of it.

Production and music are two seperate things. There are plenty of albums that I like the music, but not the production and vise-versa.
 
On a sidenote, I'll clarify why I dislike the "Pantera sound":

1.) Overuse of triggers on the drums resulting in a mechanical, stiff feel.

2.) Bass generally buried too far back in the mix to 'lock' with the drums to create a real feeling of power.

3.) Trebly, over-distorted rhythm guitar with a grating upper midrange and sour sounding high end. Overall, the guitar takes up too much space in the mix.

4.) Kick drum lacks any real meat--it's all deep mushy lows and spikey clicks.

5.) Snare drum typically has too much echo, sounding at times gated.

6.) In general the lead guitar is too 'gimmicky' and effecty. The tone is also a bit harsh.

7.) Vocals tend to irritate me because they sound intimate, although I understand *why* this is chosen--to make Phil sound like he's yelling in your face. I don't like it, but it fits.

8.) Overall the mixes sound too cluttered, the midrange is lacking and what is there seems blurred, everything is overproduced to sound 'raw' with a filmy sheen that reminds me more of a Winger album than a real metal album.

Now someone please do me the favor of explaining why they like that type of sound?
 
Well it was off to a good start but I'm sorry to say..

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Way too much negativity here, guys.
 
Cloneboy Studio said:
I'm not making any statement about the quality of Pantera's music, just the production and sounds of it.

Production and music are two seperate things. There are plenty of albums that I like the music, but not the production and vise-versa.
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I was making a statement about the production and sounds of their albums as well. Alot of people think those albums sound like perfect metal albums. (I am not one of them, but that is beside the point...I do like them) This having nothing to do with the quality of the material.

And why would someone have to justify why they liked that sound any more than they had to justify why they didn't like yours?
 
Supercreep said:
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Way too much negativity here, guys.
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sorry, bro.

Amazingly enough I am not a proponent of negativity......

...I'm just bored......




...and slightly annoyed..... ;)
 
metalhead28 said:
And why would someone have to justify why they liked that sound any more than they had to justify why they didn't like yours?
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Because this is HomeRecording.com BBS....

We're not supposed to be passive listeners, but critical of sound in the hopes of acquiring more skill.

If you're not able to say why you like something... maybe you need to not record... or hell, not even do music... because without judgement we are no better than your typical fanboy.
 
Cloneboy Studio said:
We're not supposed to be passive listeners......
... because without judgement we are no better than your typical fanboy.
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Then why are you getting your shorts in a wad over the judgement going on in this thread?

My point was that you're not exempt from that judgement just because you're a professional and you know how to do it better if you wanted to....
Most people can specify their likes and dislikes about a recording even if it is in layman's terms, and you don't seem to absorb that very well....that is all.

Good day to you sir ;)
 
Man, you people take this all too seriously.

Thanks for all the comments pos and neg.

JKM
 
Some fuckin' coward just left me negative rep over my comments in this thread. This message is for you.

/rant deleted/

I do like the sound of the cymbals on this song. You don't have to like it, but you don't have to browbeat me for liking it either. So you can sign your name next time and we can share thoughts on why we disagree. But don't leave me a little red chicklet unsigned.


/expletive deleted/,

/rant over/
 
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