Anybody else frustrated with Nowhereradio?

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Now, lets take this a little further.

Lets say you know that if he's got 3 aces, he's gonna call the last one as an ace. But, hang on, you gotta know EVERY CARD HE HAS to know that! You can't just look at two!

(i.e., gotta listen to the whole thing)

W.

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The guy could also be an idiot and play it as a full house instead of 4 of a kind, or worse....
 
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WATYF said:
I'm gonna have to agree with Cyan... (and Crawdad) :p


I think there is a kind of literal "reaction" that happens when we hear certain notes/chords/lyrics/whatever. I don't think there is a formula for it, otherwise someone would have already written an algorithm that spits out a new Top 40 hit every 5 minutes. :p I think it's just something you are "graced" with.


Yes,... music is subjective. But I think, all that means is that there are segments of the population who's "wildcard" is different than the next segment. We all "respond" to music. There has to be some kind of catalyst that garners that response. That catalyst is a "wildcard" (as Cyan calls it). I call it "it". I think a song either has "it", or doesn't. I also think that "it" can change from one person to the next.

WATYF

But if the "wildcard" is different for everyone, then what's the point? And, I think the "wildcard" changes for each individual as well. There are songs that I used to like, that now I can't stand. There are songs I didn't like at first that grew on me. There are songs I only like when I'm completely shit faced, etc...I'm guessing this is true for many people.

Sure there is a magic or an "it" or whatever you want to call it, but if there are so many constantly changing variables in what that is, then I just don't see the point of trying to measure it, and in fact, I'm against it (which is probably why I'm getting involved here :p ), cuz I think that sort of attitude ruins/has ruined the music (biz). I've dealt with people who try to quantify what makes something a hit, or good, acting as if they know it all, and yet 90% or more of what they put out is a complete failure. So if you listen to these fuckers, it can really fuck you up, and take the fun out of it, and your music might suck more than it would have before, if it sucked at all :p .

I think Waldo nailed it with the definition of "wildcard". As soon as you figure it out, it ain't a wildcard no more. John Lennon said, "every time I put my finger on it, it slips away..."
 
This is getting a little too circular. :p

I'm not worried aboot the music industry... it's exactly that... an industry. Their job is to sell. Not to judge the quality of music. I don't wanna turn this into some kind of anti-RIAA argument. :p I don't care aboat how it's done in the biz...


All I know is, there are songs that have "it", and songs that don't. There is no "quantifying" this type of thing. Hell, we can't even successfully express it, let alone explain it. :p


If you think every song ever written has merit, then that's totally your right... I just happen to disagree.




(you still rock, though.) :D


WATYF
 
Every song has 'possible' merit, and deserves an equal and fair chance at being heard as any other. What you hate, someone else likes, even if it's only one person in this world.

W.
 
WATYF said:
There is no "quantifying" this type of thing. Hell, we can't even successfully express it, let alone explain it. :p


Then I don't think you agree with Cyan! :confused: :)

If you think every song ever written has merit, then that's totally your right... I just happen to disagree.

As Waldo says, to someone. I sure don't think every song has merit! I hear songs all the time, and I think, who likes this!? But a lot of people do!

(you still rock, though.) :D

Well that's your opinion! :p ;) :D
 
and anyway,... enough arguing in the clinic... (that's what the cave is for :p)



this front-page space could be getting used by a merit-less song that nobody wants to listen to.




;)


:D :D


WATYF
 
man...and I thought my replies were meaningless... (like this one, maybe?:rolleyes: )



.....so ...if a bunch of dudes were sitting around and solving the world's problems, drinking some tea and eating those sandwiches where you cut the crust off of...around the edges.... would this be a conversation topic?
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CyanJaguar said:
If anyone is wanting to get that chemical reaction of the wildcard, I recommend robert8's no_reply.mp3. Very ,Very good song.
NOT a slam on robert8,but I've listened to his song "no_reply" 3 times now and it doesnt have a single thing about it that sucks me in or makes me wanna listen to it more than once.No supernatural chemical reaction like I have experienced with many other songs in my life.No killer hook and NO sign of the ever elusive "it" or "magic".....it's not there my friend.Your musical taste surely dont represent the public at large if this song is a guage.

Side note:Back in the 90's when a group called "wilson phillips" came out I bought their album because I liked the infectious hook of their first single "hold on".I listened to the whole album that night and made a wager with my brother as to which songs would become singles and released to radio.

I picked every single that would soon be realeased off of that album AND picked them in the correct order they would be released.....didnt miss a one.

I can do that with just about any album from any genre,as can most any other person who has an ear for a hit.

Sorry Cyan,but robert 8's song has absoluetely nothing about it that would make people wanna listen to it more than once.No hook and NO special magic laced within it.
 
man ..lol. you guys need to stop this....PEOPLE ARE GETTING HURT!!!....




wildcard or not....music is too subjective....just enjoy what you do ..and keep writing them .

jamal
 
Jamal Bucket said:
man ..lol. you guys need to stop this....PEOPLE ARE GETTING HURT!!!....

Who's getting hurt?I havent seen any punches thrown yet.:D
 
well that " glowing" recommendation of robert 8 's work....





sheesh....:D

now i have to go listen!
 
In the book "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenece", the main character is a professor at a university. He's trying to define 'Quality' so he reads a bunch of the students papers in class and asks them to vote on which ones have 'Quality'. The class is unanimous in picking out the best work, or high Quality papers. Everybody agreed that it was obvious which works stood out. So far, so good.

So, the professor gives them an assignment: write a paper that defines "Quality". Rather quickly, the whole class hates this professor and goes into a huge funk. Everybody knows what it is, but nobody can define it.

The professor goes on to try and define it, using it as a means to merge the chasm between philosophy and science. In this pursuit, the professor finally has a complete nervous breakdown and is institutionalized.

I only use this example because I think it has a bearing on this discussion. When each of us individually hears something that we think is great, we consider it to have high quality. We've called it a wildcard, or "it" or magic--whatever. However, like the class, I doubt that any of us can explain WHY a certain musical work has the effect it does. We call it genius or we call it great, but all we know is that it does something powerful to us. Its like the shaman threw the right magic dust (not Cheech and Chongs magic dust!:D LOL!)at us and created a miracle.

To me, thats what great music is: a miracle. To call something great is one thing. To try to explain why it is great is impossible. Nobody can lay it out logically and tell us how to create similar miracles in scientific terms. Don't worry, Macle. It won't ever happen.

That doesn't mean that we don't see or hear the quality that exists. I'm sure that some are very gifted at honing in on which songs will strike a common chord. Still, nobody will ever come along and say--"here is how you create a song that the whole world will love--guaranteed. Having the numerous musical styles that now exist furthur complicates the process.

I think the value of all this talk is for the musicians and songwriters. Don't bother trying to define greatness, but get used to what it feels like and sounds like when it happens as an event. Strive to then evoke the same magic in what you create. Even if we can't define it, we know what resonates as being good within us. I think thats about all you can do.

Now, I think I'm done with this, but I want to say--I really enjoy all the different perspectives and ideas. To me, its really interesting and enlightening.
 
Jamal Bucket said:
well that " glowing" recommendation of robert 8 's work....





sheesh....:D

now i have to go listen!

Well,cyan did use it very early in this thread as a "shining" example" of the "glowing" presence of the wildcard.:rolleyes:

Music IS subjective and thats why I posted what I did.

I didnt say robert 8's song sucked.Quite the contrary,it is a pretty good tune but it's not a hit by any means and it surely doesnt have any Magic about it.

Most every song I have ever written falls right into the same category with how I described robert8's tune so nobody should be getting their feelings hurt.I just live with that fact and hope that the ones with a little magic come to me more fequently.:eek:
 
i gotcha....;)

actually i havent read this whole 6 page masterpeice....lol...maybe i should!.

i know what you were saying...i cant find the link to the song...is he listed as robert8 at nowhere??..gimme the link!!!!
 
I just had to add one last thing to this insane thread..

Maybe I look like the bad guy, but I've noticed people like jako-owa, DavidK, King Elvis, chrisharris etc.. all said that they don't have any technical problems with Nowhere..

I guess it's just me and most of the people I send there.. BTW, you guys have some brown stuff on your nose! :)


It sure was scary watching Lt. Bob and crawdad disagree.. I'm glad that was squared away at least..
 
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Blah, blah, blah ..... somebody post a song quick, I'm double parked!!!!

BPOCO
 
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I was just saying that since I have a cable modem I dont experience any problems. Now when I had dial-up, thats a different story. I just cant imagine what that must be like. Especially when someone posts something that runs about 8 minutes or so....
 
B.SABBATH said:

I guess it's just me and most of the people I send there..
No, it's not just you. For example, my step-mother has never been able to download anything from NWR, but that's because she's a moron. The first radio guy from NPR that tried to listen to my space shuttle tune got caught up in that loop where you have to tell the site what player you want to use before you can listen, and he gave up, lol. (BTW - Waldo, you should fix that in the next version of NWR if you can...after the person selects the player, it should forward them BACK to the page from whence they came...people are dumb, ya' know).

BTW - That is one ripping cool avatar, Sami (now see, THAT'S kissing ass).
 
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