Guernica
Active member
ok
TheRealWaldo
New member
I won't deny it would be nice to make a living from. But it's not the goal!
W.
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M.Brane
New member
I can't believe I read the whole thing!
My music collection contains very little "popular", "hit", or even "hip" music. In fact, most of it would be considered crap by elitist AE's and hipster music critics. Doesn't bother me one bit.
It's all stuff that I liked enough to buy it at the time, and I still like most of it just as much now as I did then. Some of it even more!
The music biz chewed me up and spit me out long ago because I didn't fit the mold, and wouldn't "play ball".
Guess I got a "bad hand".LOL! 
As for NWR, I don't think your gonna find a better deal on hosting, and I find the lack of pop-ups, e-mail spam, and needless, slow-loading eye candy refreshing. Yeah sometimes the streaming buffers too much, but that happens everywhere. There's plenty of other things I can do if it's not working, like play my guitar, work on a mix etc. There are also plenty of other sites where you can park your stuff if it bothers you that much. Personally I try to avoid contributing to the big media cartel whenever possible, though it's getting harder to avoid 'em every year.
Thanks for keepin' the faith, Waldo!
My music collection contains very little "popular", "hit", or even "hip" music. In fact, most of it would be considered crap by elitist AE's and hipster music critics. Doesn't bother me one bit.
It's all stuff that I liked enough to buy it at the time, and I still like most of it just as much now as I did then. Some of it even more!The music biz chewed me up and spit me out long ago because I didn't fit the mold, and wouldn't "play ball".
Guess I got a "bad hand".LOL! As for NWR, I don't think your gonna find a better deal on hosting, and I find the lack of pop-ups, e-mail spam, and needless, slow-loading eye candy refreshing. Yeah sometimes the streaming buffers too much, but that happens everywhere. There's plenty of other things I can do if it's not working, like play my guitar, work on a mix etc. There are also plenty of other sites where you can park your stuff if it bothers you that much. Personally I try to avoid contributing to the big media cartel whenever possible, though it's getting harder to avoid 'em every year.
Thanks for keepin' the faith, Waldo!
chrisharris
King of Bling
Actually, I think it is right now. Maybe "labor of love" would be more appropriate - I guess W's the best guy to answer that, and I haven't even read all of this thread, much less everything that he's said on the subject, but that's how I see it. Just b/c somebody turns down a money making opportunity to do something else doesn't mean that they intend to make money at the "something else." To me, it says the opposite...I mean, I'm a money whore, and when I have an opportunity to make it, I grab cash. That's why I'm the asshole, lol.Guernica said:
The irony, I guess, is that the more popular NWR becomes, the less cool it probably is for Waldo. I'm not saying that he doesn't have aspirations to put NWR in the black, but I *DEFINITELY* don't put NWR in the same category as most startup businesses that operate at a loss while they're expanding. But regardless of any future plans, I'm looking at NWR in the vacuum of how it's operating right now...which is by the grace of exactly one guy.
BTW, Mike, NOBODY around here does more than you do to support music and the people who try to make it, so I hope to GOD you didn't take my post as any kind of an argument with you. Most of the time, when somebody starts a "WHAT'S UP WITH NWR" thread, it's some newb who's uploaded 2 songs for free and feels entitled to bitch about the service. That's who I was ranting to. It's just that I think that the nebulous nature of "the business" of NWR leads to a lot of misunderstanding. What you see as Waldo "asking for money" is what I see as a call to action for somebody (anybody) to do 1/100th as much as W does to make NWR work (i.e., help make it better, or shut the fuck up, right? lol).
Again, I'm looking at NWR as a contribution of Waldo's time and funds...if I considered NWR to be a money-making venture, then I'm sure I'd view it exactly like you do, but I don't. For all I know, Waldo could have me totally snowed, such that he's REALLY just manipulating people to help him make a killing, but I don't think that's the case at all; and the truth is, he's probably not really comfortable talking about whether he sees a financially bright future for NWR, and that's cool with me too.
I've never seen Waldo specifically ask anybody for money...even the people who post songs there?!?!?! (15MB free)... all I've ever seen Waldo do is to direct people to a link on his site that contains solutions to their gripes. All that says to me is, "your destiny is in your own hands," lol.
I'm frequently wrong about stuff, btw, but you already know that, lol.
TheRealWaldo
New member
Well said Chris... You freaked me out a bit, as some of what you wrote was in a post I decided not to make public...
Here's the skinny. NWR started when I was jamming with a band that consisted of people I met at work (I was a tech at a computer shop). They got to be good friends from that, and I had little to contribute as I don't consider myself good at anything musical. So, I decided to try something I had messed with on my own, and had interest in...
Broadcasting the jam, live, on the internet, using new streaming technologies.
As a result, we picked up a rather large fan base... I gradually got weeded out of the band, as I didn't fit their style, but still continued the broadcasts to keep the audience happy. We called these broadcasts 'SON', or Sound Of Nothing, due to a few misshaps where I wasn't aware a cable was loose, etc., and we broadcast an hour of absolute silence, yet people still tuned in and waited it out in hopes of hearing the band...
Eventually, because the 'Sound Of Nothing' broadcast was popular, people asked where they could watch/listen to us live in person... We didn't want people hanging around our buddies basement, especially it being a private home, so we'd say NoWhere....
Within a short period of time, I started getting contacted by other bands on the internet, requesting information on how to do the same thing. I provided as much info as I could, but it got to be too much work keeping in touch with everyone, troubleshooting for them, etc..
So, I decided to create something wherein the bands could still do this, but with a much simpler interface, that they didn't have to be a tech or a programmer to put together, and the first NoWhereRadio site was born (on microsofts community servers at that! Yes, NoWhere was using a free site!)
After a while, it grew, and microsoft basically said pay up, or get off, so we got off, to another free server, at geocities... Yet again, it outgrew that, and I had to move it to another server.
One of the 'fans' of the show(s) offered up space on his server, and even registered the name 'nowhereradio.com' for us, in exchange for advertising his computer and net business. This lasted a while, and again, NWR outgrew the potential of the server, and his pocket book.
I lost the job, but had another to fall back on, doing similar work as a technician, only not a computer store, but a repair shop.
Next, I began getting into wireless technologies, and planned to use a new wireless technology, connected to a remote 'broadcasting van' to go around town and broadcast live shows from local artists, to the whole world, using video and audio. I had run a few shows from local places (kaos cafe, back alley, etc.) that had physical high speed net connections, but the majority of them did not, so the idea came to mind for wireless.
I contacted a local company who had the service, although at a hefty price. Within minutes of explaining what I was planning on doing, I was talking to a major power in the company. We worked out a deal, signed contracts in such, wherein I would pay a nominal monthly fee for the wireless service (around $160 a month), buy the hardware needed, including free webspace for the HTML server, in exchange for advertising for the company, mentioning them during live broadcasts, and plastering signs on the side of the van. (I never did get to purchase a van, too damn expensive)
That only left the fact that the streaming servers were 'gone', so I signed up with another local line provider, and 'cheated' their maximum bandwidth for nearly a year. Eventually, it got used so much that they couldn't have missed it, I was contacted, warned, and had to scale up yet again. The servers were provided by the owner of the company I was working for, in exchange for 49% of anything NWR ever made, which to date, is still nadda.
Right about this time I lost the job...
Scaled up lines, with a new provider, costing alot more. The servers that handle the database and media by this time are getting quite old (believe it or not, the main server you guys download/stream tunes off of is a pentium 200MMX!).
Shortly after I got the new lines, I began running out of money, and I started the optional pay services, and knocked the free users down to 15MB (used to be unlimited for free users too) as a result of some convincing from users (some of which are here).
The company that I made the deal with for the free space, and wireless technology goes under... The company that takes over sounds like a fly by night operation, several crashes occur in a short period of time. I start looking for better.
The company that provides the lines to the database and media servers undergoes major back end restructuring, to cheaper (less reliable) gear, to save money in the whole market crash... A number of outages result...
That brings us to now. Obviously, an extremely condensed version of the ongoings, with ommissions of some of the things I did to keep things running.
So, what now?
Another new server, on new lines (just ordered today, so work will be started to get it up to speed, and get NWR4 ready on it, may take a month or two). This time, only pay users are going on the new server. Freebies, you're going to have to suffer slow downloads and uploads for a while. At least until the P2P software is introduced, then things will get better. Chad's working his ass of on this.
What's it leave me with at this point? No car, no home (live in my fathers basement, owe him tons of months rent), no wife, and no money, lol
But I still got my fucking music
W.
--edit--
It all breaks down to: I love music, I suck at making it, so I'm going to help those of you that do, the best I can.
Here's the skinny. NWR started when I was jamming with a band that consisted of people I met at work (I was a tech at a computer shop). They got to be good friends from that, and I had little to contribute as I don't consider myself good at anything musical. So, I decided to try something I had messed with on my own, and had interest in...
Broadcasting the jam, live, on the internet, using new streaming technologies.
As a result, we picked up a rather large fan base... I gradually got weeded out of the band, as I didn't fit their style, but still continued the broadcasts to keep the audience happy. We called these broadcasts 'SON', or Sound Of Nothing, due to a few misshaps where I wasn't aware a cable was loose, etc., and we broadcast an hour of absolute silence, yet people still tuned in and waited it out in hopes of hearing the band...
Eventually, because the 'Sound Of Nothing' broadcast was popular, people asked where they could watch/listen to us live in person... We didn't want people hanging around our buddies basement, especially it being a private home, so we'd say NoWhere....
Within a short period of time, I started getting contacted by other bands on the internet, requesting information on how to do the same thing. I provided as much info as I could, but it got to be too much work keeping in touch with everyone, troubleshooting for them, etc..
So, I decided to create something wherein the bands could still do this, but with a much simpler interface, that they didn't have to be a tech or a programmer to put together, and the first NoWhereRadio site was born (on microsofts community servers at that! Yes, NoWhere was using a free site!)
After a while, it grew, and microsoft basically said pay up, or get off, so we got off, to another free server, at geocities... Yet again, it outgrew that, and I had to move it to another server.
One of the 'fans' of the show(s) offered up space on his server, and even registered the name 'nowhereradio.com' for us, in exchange for advertising his computer and net business. This lasted a while, and again, NWR outgrew the potential of the server, and his pocket book.
I lost the job, but had another to fall back on, doing similar work as a technician, only not a computer store, but a repair shop.
Next, I began getting into wireless technologies, and planned to use a new wireless technology, connected to a remote 'broadcasting van' to go around town and broadcast live shows from local artists, to the whole world, using video and audio. I had run a few shows from local places (kaos cafe, back alley, etc.) that had physical high speed net connections, but the majority of them did not, so the idea came to mind for wireless.
I contacted a local company who had the service, although at a hefty price. Within minutes of explaining what I was planning on doing, I was talking to a major power in the company. We worked out a deal, signed contracts in such, wherein I would pay a nominal monthly fee for the wireless service (around $160 a month), buy the hardware needed, including free webspace for the HTML server, in exchange for advertising for the company, mentioning them during live broadcasts, and plastering signs on the side of the van. (I never did get to purchase a van, too damn expensive)
That only left the fact that the streaming servers were 'gone', so I signed up with another local line provider, and 'cheated' their maximum bandwidth for nearly a year. Eventually, it got used so much that they couldn't have missed it, I was contacted, warned, and had to scale up yet again. The servers were provided by the owner of the company I was working for, in exchange for 49% of anything NWR ever made, which to date, is still nadda.
Right about this time I lost the job...
Scaled up lines, with a new provider, costing alot more. The servers that handle the database and media by this time are getting quite old (believe it or not, the main server you guys download/stream tunes off of is a pentium 200MMX!).
Shortly after I got the new lines, I began running out of money, and I started the optional pay services, and knocked the free users down to 15MB (used to be unlimited for free users too) as a result of some convincing from users (some of which are here).
The company that I made the deal with for the free space, and wireless technology goes under... The company that takes over sounds like a fly by night operation, several crashes occur in a short period of time. I start looking for better.
The company that provides the lines to the database and media servers undergoes major back end restructuring, to cheaper (less reliable) gear, to save money in the whole market crash... A number of outages result...
That brings us to now. Obviously, an extremely condensed version of the ongoings, with ommissions of some of the things I did to keep things running.
So, what now?
Another new server, on new lines (just ordered today, so work will be started to get it up to speed, and get NWR4 ready on it, may take a month or two). This time, only pay users are going on the new server. Freebies, you're going to have to suffer slow downloads and uploads for a while. At least until the P2P software is introduced, then things will get better. Chad's working his ass of on this.
What's it leave me with at this point? No car, no home (live in my fathers basement, owe him tons of months rent), no wife, and no money, lol
But I still got my fucking music
W.
--edit--
It all breaks down to: I love music, I suck at making it, so I'm going to help those of you that do, the best I can.
crawdad
Dammit, Jim, Shut Up!
PART 1
I'm going to try to stay on topic here, but using a mixture of the two themes in this thread: Nowhere Radio and what makes music sell--be a "wildcard"--or be attractive to listeners.
See, I just don't totally get this whole anti-popular music stance. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. The waters gotta be refreshing or taste good, ya know?
OK, in a way, I DO get it. I'll spout for a second about country radio, since I know that format better than any other. Modern country radio stations do not, normally, play any of the artists that made the genre great--Hank Williams, Lefty Frizzell, Merle Haggard, Buck Owens, Johnny Cash, Waylon Jennings, George Jones...etc. Its all about the new kids on the block and making money for the current industry, which is run by 30 somethings who know nothing about what country music is or was. It would be like rock radio not ever playing the Beatles, Stones, Led Zeppelin, the Who, and so on.
So, I do see Nowhere as a place where music that is relevant, but which will not see the light of day in radio, can be heard. Thats why I support the vision and why I think it has a future. When my own kids are jaded by the crap that gets shoved down their throat, it sends up a red flag that something is really stinking in the music business.
OK. Here is what I don't agree with: the attitude that everything that sells is bad. The idea that anything that is successful is shit, like its a given. See, its so fucking easy to diss the successful stuff--to buy into the idea that our music doesn't stand a chance against the big boys--that it becomes a justification for our shortcomings and our failures.
We should not allow that to happen. The idea of the wildcard is valid, though it IS somewhat nebulous. The notion of writing a hit song should not be viewed a selling out either. Its more like 'hitting the bullseye'. If a ton of people hook up with Sluice, ChrisHarris, or B.Sabbath or Erland and that stuff takes off, are we gonna all the sudden say "they sold out!" Does success mean artistic failure? I don't think so.
Look--I'm not saying that something has to be commercial to be good--far from it. A vast amount of the music I treasure will never see the light of day commercially, but its fantastic anyway. Does anybody write stuff hoping nobody will like it? Of course not (I think!) Its just that some music has greater appeal.
All I am asking is that we don't blame our own failures on the music business. great songs have a life of their own and will find their audience. If they don't fit the format du jour, then maybe NowhereRadio can get them where they need to go. For some, it will be a steppingstone to greater success.
END PART 1
I'm going to try to stay on topic here, but using a mixture of the two themes in this thread: Nowhere Radio and what makes music sell--be a "wildcard"--or be attractive to listeners.
See, I just don't totally get this whole anti-popular music stance. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. The waters gotta be refreshing or taste good, ya know?
OK, in a way, I DO get it. I'll spout for a second about country radio, since I know that format better than any other. Modern country radio stations do not, normally, play any of the artists that made the genre great--Hank Williams, Lefty Frizzell, Merle Haggard, Buck Owens, Johnny Cash, Waylon Jennings, George Jones...etc. Its all about the new kids on the block and making money for the current industry, which is run by 30 somethings who know nothing about what country music is or was. It would be like rock radio not ever playing the Beatles, Stones, Led Zeppelin, the Who, and so on.
So, I do see Nowhere as a place where music that is relevant, but which will not see the light of day in radio, can be heard. Thats why I support the vision and why I think it has a future. When my own kids are jaded by the crap that gets shoved down their throat, it sends up a red flag that something is really stinking in the music business.
OK. Here is what I don't agree with: the attitude that everything that sells is bad. The idea that anything that is successful is shit, like its a given. See, its so fucking easy to diss the successful stuff--to buy into the idea that our music doesn't stand a chance against the big boys--that it becomes a justification for our shortcomings and our failures.
We should not allow that to happen. The idea of the wildcard is valid, though it IS somewhat nebulous. The notion of writing a hit song should not be viewed a selling out either. Its more like 'hitting the bullseye'. If a ton of people hook up with Sluice, ChrisHarris, or B.Sabbath or Erland and that stuff takes off, are we gonna all the sudden say "they sold out!" Does success mean artistic failure? I don't think so.
Look--I'm not saying that something has to be commercial to be good--far from it. A vast amount of the music I treasure will never see the light of day commercially, but its fantastic anyway. Does anybody write stuff hoping nobody will like it? Of course not (I think!
) Its just that some music has greater appeal. All I am asking is that we don't blame our own failures on the music business. great songs have a life of their own and will find their audience. If they don't fit the format du jour, then maybe NowhereRadio can get them where they need to go. For some, it will be a steppingstone to greater success.
END PART 1
TheRealWaldo
New member
To me, popularity isn't success. To me, that's a childs mentality.
Doing what you love, and surviving. That's success. Priceless.
'Selling out' would mean compromising your art to please others and become popular.
W.
--edit--
Nor to me, does money equate to success...
Doing what you love, and surviving. That's success. Priceless.
'Selling out' would mean compromising your art to please others and become popular.
W.
--edit--
Nor to me, does money equate to success...
crawdad
Dammit, Jim, Shut Up!
Part 2
I also know that Waldo's vision goes far beyond creating a place where anybody can post an MP3. He actually wants to help us to reach audiences, sell product and be able to broadcast those live performances to listeners on the internet. He's in it for the love of music. Actually, he's a modern day Sam Phillips (Sun Records). He sees the future and he's staking his life on what he believes. So, God bless you Waldo. Like John Lennon said, "a working class hero is something to be." You are a musical hero of mine.
Nowhere is an alternative to the corporate bullshit of record companies, which is good.
Getting back to an earlier post of Lt. Bob's, I must say--Steve--you're wrong, sorta--but I still love you! There are certain songs that grab the ear of the masses. I have no idea why, but it does happen. When John Mayer first came out, my daughter got real into him and said I needed to hear this guy. I listened and said that he's gonna be huge. She said, "Dad, I don't think so--nobody knows who he is, but he IS great." I told her that he would soon be a star.
Why? Because he could write songs that communicated. They had great lyrics, melody and hooks. I'm not personally in love with his stuff, but its done very well. If his music was terrible, it would not have sold. He did his homework and created some very well crafted songs.
Ever since Motown Records, the choice of what to release has been done by committee. Mass agreement sees whats a hit. Not that its right, or that other songs aren't equally spectacular or even better. But every song is a message, and human beings respond well to certain messages and not as well to others.
Waldo's passion is creating an outlet for music. My passion is music that communicates. I love artists who strive to become better--who work to hone thier personal vision and make their creations as good as they can be. While I have nothing against those that say, "I created it and I won't change anything about it", I sometimes sense that some of those people won't ever challenge themselves to grow and seek a greater connection with others through their music. Most artists want their work to be liked. They want their songs and their performances to be appreciated.
If they follow that process and suddenly find themselves getting a Grammy, theres nothing wrong with that. No matter how skewed the vision of the music business may be, there will always be a place for artistic vision and well crafted songs. Its the lifeblood of the industry. So my plea is this: work you ass off to be as good as you can be. Don't be afraid of success. Just be true to yourself and work like the devil to make the best music you can.
I also know that Waldo's vision goes far beyond creating a place where anybody can post an MP3. He actually wants to help us to reach audiences, sell product and be able to broadcast those live performances to listeners on the internet. He's in it for the love of music. Actually, he's a modern day Sam Phillips (Sun Records). He sees the future and he's staking his life on what he believes. So, God bless you Waldo. Like John Lennon said, "a working class hero is something to be." You are a musical hero of mine.
Nowhere is an alternative to the corporate bullshit of record companies, which is good.
Getting back to an earlier post of Lt. Bob's, I must say--Steve--you're wrong, sorta--but I still love you!
There are certain songs that grab the ear of the masses. I have no idea why, but it does happen. When John Mayer first came out, my daughter got real into him and said I needed to hear this guy. I listened and said that he's gonna be huge. She said, "Dad, I don't think so--nobody knows who he is, but he IS great." I told her that he would soon be a star. Why? Because he could write songs that communicated. They had great lyrics, melody and hooks. I'm not personally in love with his stuff, but its done very well. If his music was terrible, it would not have sold. He did his homework and created some very well crafted songs.
Ever since Motown Records, the choice of what to release has been done by committee. Mass agreement sees whats a hit. Not that its right, or that other songs aren't equally spectacular or even better. But every song is a message, and human beings respond well to certain messages and not as well to others.
Waldo's passion is creating an outlet for music. My passion is music that communicates. I love artists who strive to become better--who work to hone thier personal vision and make their creations as good as they can be. While I have nothing against those that say, "I created it and I won't change anything about it", I sometimes sense that some of those people won't ever challenge themselves to grow and seek a greater connection with others through their music. Most artists want their work to be liked. They want their songs and their performances to be appreciated.
If they follow that process and suddenly find themselves getting a Grammy, theres nothing wrong with that. No matter how skewed the vision of the music business may be, there will always be a place for artistic vision and well crafted songs. Its the lifeblood of the industry. So my plea is this: work you ass off to be as good as you can be. Don't be afraid of success. Just be true to yourself and work like the devil to make the best music you can.
crawdad
Dammit, Jim, Shut Up!
TheRealWaldo said:
I hear you. What I am saying is simple. Make music thats as great as you can make it. If money or fame comes after that, there is nothing WRONG with that. Some people seem to think that ANYTHING successful is evil in some way. I'm saying: not all the time. To equate success and popularity with failure makes no sense, if the intentions behind the product were true.
I'm also saying that I've heard people who have failed musically speak for 40 years about how "commercialism" stopped them from being successful! Huh?
The Beatles did the music they liked, never compromised, and became hugely popular--doing what they loved. I bet their idea of success was creating a great track and writing a great song.
This whole idea if success=junk is used way too often by people to justify their own shortcomings. I'm sick of hearing it. Sure, there is a bunch of crap getting shoved down our throats, but I sure don't buy the CD's! People buy music that has VALUE to them. At close to 20 bucks a disc, who's gonna buy something they know sucks?
TheRealWaldo
New member
If money or fame comes before what you love, then that, is what I would call sad. Not evil, just sad.
Know what I mean?
W.
Know what I mean?
W.
M
M.Brane
New member
TheRealWaldo said:
Don't forget about the money!
Great posts crawdad!
Unfortunately here in LA LA Land I met very few people in the biz who actually seemed to care enough about the music beyond the fact that it enabled them to make enough money to support their coke habits, and impress the groupies. That would include band members.
Maybe it was the drugs. I did my share, but at least I knew when to quit.
I don't personally have a problem with any kind of music, popular or not, as long as it's from the heart. If you really like (insert latest trend here) then that's cool. If I like something, that's all there is to it. I'm not going to stop listening to something just because it becomes popular, same as I'm not automatically going to like something because it's "underground".
Like it or not there is a very powerful element in this business that wants to control not what you listen to (that doesn't matter to them) but where you get it from. There's a hell of a lot of money at stake, and those in control are not about to let it slip away without a fight.
I believe that grassroots music sources like this site, NWR and any other non-corporate entities are the future of music. The genie is out of the bottle, although some people are desparately trying to put it back in.
Oh the times they are a changin'......
And I really need to work on my typing speed.LOL!
crawdad
Dammit, Jim, Shut Up!
Yes. Consider that 99% of the world does what they do for money first. Its a sad world. And who does everybody admire? The millionaires! Pretty fucked.
Anybody who gets into music for the fame has serious personal issues.
Again, referring to the Beatles--they hated the fame. They quit touring because they couldn't hear themselves play and nobody really listened to begin with. Thats why they became a studio band.
What does happen is this: if something takes off big, fame follows. The way the media is structured, they live off this crap. If they want to make you a God, they do so. Usually, just so they can tear you down later. Two stories for the price of one!
Anybody who gets into music for the fame has serious personal issues.
Again, referring to the Beatles--they hated the fame. They quit touring because they couldn't hear themselves play and nobody really listened to begin with. Thats why they became a studio band.
What does happen is this: if something takes off big, fame follows. The way the media is structured, they live off this crap. If they want to make you a God, they do so. Usually, just so they can tear you down later. Two stories for the price of one!
M
M.Brane
New member
If someones goal is to make money, that's cool too.
It's when they take unfair advantage of people that the trouble starts.
It's when they take unfair advantage of people that the trouble starts.
TheRealWaldo
New member
Well obviously, intentions do get into the mix as well. Using or destroying someone else is a tactic that corporations don't even bat an eye at, and that's even more sad.
W.
W.
Kramer
Well-known member
RE:Anybody else frustrated with Nowhereradio
Im getting pretty frustrated with the homerecording.com site to tell you the truth!
It's just as damn slow now as it was before the server change awhile back.
I guess "disgusted" would be a better word than frustrated since I've been putting up with pages not loading or getting the "too many people are logged in" message for at least a month now EVRERY SINGLE DAY OF THE WEEK.
I know Im not the only one because there are others complaining about it as well.
Im on broadband and I FLY around the net everywhere I go EXCEPT Homerecording.com.
I have been looking for an alternative to THIS site because at this point it's almost useless.If the pages wont load or there are too many users logged on 24 hours a day(50 users is too many)it's just becoming a chore and a major pain in the ass.
THIS site seems to be running on fumes AGAIN.
Im getting pretty frustrated with the homerecording.com site to tell you the truth!
It's just as damn slow now as it was before the server change awhile back.
I guess "disgusted" would be a better word than frustrated since I've been putting up with pages not loading or getting the "too many people are logged in" message for at least a month now EVRERY SINGLE DAY OF THE WEEK.
I know Im not the only one because there are others complaining about it as well.
Im on broadband and I FLY around the net everywhere I go EXCEPT Homerecording.com.
I have been looking for an alternative to THIS site because at this point it's almost useless.If the pages wont load or there are too many users logged on 24 hours a day(50 users is too many)it's just becoming a chore and a major pain in the ass.
THIS site seems to be running on fumes AGAIN.
wes480
New member
CyanJaguar said:
i understand your description of wildcards...
but are you claiming that EVERY song someone likes is a wildcard song?
more or less..that you (or anyone) has no real group of songs that they like...
...that everything is just a wildcard?
i don't agree with that. i think wildcards are rare. it's the kind of song you say "hmm, why do i like that."
in your first post you use the term "identifiable wildcard". I think by nature, wildcards are non-identifiable.
they just leave you confused and happy...
-wes
"this is the wildcard and the manifestation of the wildcard"
wes480
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CyanJaguar said:
Usually the music in said scene is what makes you cry more than anything. the slow symphony, etc.
imagine watching a really sad scene where a hero dies... without the triumphant or corageous string bed behind it.
music is definitely an emotional thing.
C
CyanJaguar
New member
wes480 said:
Wes480, you've asked some extremely good questions and I hope that I can come up with answers that are worthy of the questions.
By the way, I still think Darling is one wildcard song. I would love to hear a full version and the rock and roll version.
In answer to your first question: no. not every song that someone likes is a wildcard song. Some people like some songs because of the lyrics, some others like songs because of the performer's fame, and some (like my ex-girlfriend) like songs because the radio station played them( the songs)
People have a genre of songs that they prefer. I personally like alternative rock the best, but there are only twelve notes in western music. All I am saying is that if a person hears a wildcard, it wont matter what genre, they'll still enjoy it.
Identifiable wildcards: Thats the thing I am working on though. As a business major in college, I came to learn that we are best off when we can find a pattern to something. If you can find a formula for something, then it becomes easier to repeat.
a book I am currently reading in organizational strategy says:
we dont know what we dont know
we cant do what we dont know
we wont know until we measure
we dont measure what we dont value
we dont value what we dont measure
I value that magickal thing in a song that just makes me go WOW . In other words, I value the wildcard. SInce I value it, I am setting out to find out what exactly it is. I am finding this out. Again, we only have 12 notes to work with in western music. I am measuring things so that eventually, I will know what constitutes the wildcard and how to repeat it. I find that well placed harmony works very well. I find that the E note is a VERY, VERY,I mean extremely special note when it comes to wildcards. etc
Wildcards definitely leave me happy, and sometimes in AWE. Its my quest to remove the element of confusion so that one day, I'll be able to explain exactly why a certain sequence made my hair stand on end.
I agree that the music in a movie scene has an emotional effect, but I think that the music heightens the effect and the tears on screen create that effect. I also think that piano and strings have the most recognizable heightening effect, or do "they" just like to use piano and strings in sad parts? Oh , acoustic guitar can be very powerful as well.
macle
New member
CyanJaguar said:
Hi,
So, some people like non wildcard songs for whatever reasons (which would explain why a supposed non wildcard song could still be a hit, and still sell millions), but can a person not like a wildcard song? Cuz, it seems that you are saying that a wildcard song will appeal to all humans in some sort of uncontrollable way. The only song I can think of that is loved by all creatures of the universe is Baby Got Back.
therage!
Wicked Machine
Re: RE:Anybody else frustrated with Nowhereradio
Same here, cable modem at home and T1 at work. Lately I've noticed the exact same thing and there are more people arriving all the time.
Kramer said:
Same here, cable modem at home and T1 at work. Lately I've noticed the exact same thing and there are more people arriving all the time.