Acoustic guitar tone

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Looks like the combo of the akg3000 and the mmp mic modeling preamp from roland is a keeper. Ill post something when I get the time.The difference is phenomenal!! The testing I have done is the first time ive got a good acoustic tone! The only problem I'm having with it is getting the digital out to go into my midiman audiophile 2496 card. for some reason it wont go that way. but its fine into my sb audigy so I have a route. The analog goes into the 2496 with no problems of course. anyone having the same setup please let me know what the fix is if youve got one.
 
hey there..

I dont mean to steer you in the wrong direction, but maybe you should try getting a smaller condenser mic for your tone. I used to use an akg3000 and it sounded pretty mid-rangy and woody... no high frequencies where all the acoustic guitar flavor is.

maybe it sounds good for you though... thats all that counts :)

I think Craig Chicaciqo's tone stinks... but im sure he thinks its fine :)

I hate to comment on other peoples sound, but I thought Id comment on that mic.

Good luck to ya! :)
 
jmarcomb: with the mic modeler you can adjust all the ranges of the mic! you can make it emulate just about ANYthing. I agree the raw akg 3000 tone for an acoustic is very harsh. when I post something you can check it out.
 
great tune. I listened to both versions and liked the mic'd version somewhat more.

I also noticed you did quite a bit of processing. Maybe ease off and let the guitar and your playing do the work. How is that roland mmp? post some examples of different mic models from the same source. I'm dying to hear the results! I've used the Antares mic modeller, but I think the results are take or leave. The main factor seems to be how good of a source mic you have.

On your sound, try blending a mic'd signal with a direct signal. That's something I do quite a bit of now. I use a condensor at the 12th fret or so and run direct through the Sansamp Acoustic DI with a healthy does of "tube blend". I get some killer acoustic sounds (so they tell me :cool: ) on some pretty budget gear.
 
I definitely like the mic'ed one better. If you have 2 mics, I would go stereo for sure. EQ wise, have you applied any low-cut filters yet? btw, good performance.

AL
 
Force of nature: I will definitely do that . I will run the mmp through a brief sampling of what it can do when I get the time and my dsl line back. My dsl provider just closed up and left me to go back to dial up for a while :(. You will be amazed at all the sounds you can get out of the same mic. I havent sampled anything, vocals, acoustic guitar, electric guitar and a violin and a cello just for grins and with this magnificent piece of equipment and a few mics I can get very acceptable results. There is however a significant learning curve.I cant wait to really learn how to use it to its capabilities. the included software lets you sample, edit and save and share setups as well as control some of the setting on your pc Only I havent found anyone to bum patches off of yet. BTW I got it from americanmusical.com for $339 and they have a 45 day return policy if you want to try it out. Thats the b-stock price. looks 100% new to me:).

Thanks for the feedback
Bill
 
Sorry I should have said, heres a very short sample of what the Roland mmp-2 mic modeling preamp can do for those who are curious. It can be tweaked eternally and I have not learned how to use it very well yet but I think I was able to achieve a Much better sound for vocals or guitar recording with relative ease. theres some mids that resonated but you CAN adjust all that out using this tool. After a little eq work and some other adjustment the result is fantastic! Of course I still have to learn all the mic placement tricks and compression expansion de esser and enhancer, the very deep eq adjustments as well as some settings like proximity and time which all can effect the recorded sound quality. And really mess it up if your not careful. did I mention the preamp models? Best thing since sliced bread? IMHO
 
I love hearing purely acoustic guitar songs. It makes me want to spend more time on my guitar playing so I can play such nice tunes :)

And I much prefer the acoustic version with the mic.

P.S. I added that version to my personal playlist on NWR
 
adams: Thanks for your kind words, Ill be posting a much better version of some acoustic songs when I get the time to do it. Hopefully it will be a lot easier to achieve a descent result since I got the roland mic modeler. Yeah dont forget to actually play and enjoy your guitar, sometimes I am so driven that learning recording reminds me of work!
 
Hi Bill!
Sounds much better,like a sweet acoustic.

Mabey add some more bass back,if you cut it?
Sounds like the only thing lacking.

Has a very fine classic tone to it.

I think with that kind of playing,you had 99%of the battle won before you even started!

I really enjoyed it,thanks,
Pete
 
muzeman; Thanks for the reply, I dont recall if I cut the bass or not, but I still like the mic modeler.

Peace
Bill
 
Woa!I think I was an inch taller when I posted that!:D

Have you done any more work on it Bill,really nice song.

Pete
 
wfaraoni -

I won't have a chance to check out everyone else's post tonight so I apologize if I repeat something already suggested.

I've also been looking for the magical acoustic sound for a couple months and I think I'm on to something.

First, get rid of the amp and simply mic the guitar.

That aside, and most important, get a decent mic (two if you can afford them). Purchasing a couple of good mics has made the biggest difference in my opinion. I never believed it could make such a huge difference - but this BBS changed my view. I've learned a ton.

As far as mic placement, I've found that putting one mic a few inches in front of the 12th fret and a second mic "looking" over my shoulder towards the soundhole gives me the best results.

I'm very happy with the results - at least with a strummed chord. I'll be posting it in the near future, so I guess the board will be the final judge. I have yet to put fingerpicking to the test.

I see that WATYF (see his most recent post) mic'd his acoustic in a similar fashion, but instead of a 2nd mic looking over his shoulder, he had it out in front of him at about the same height. I thought the result was very good. Check it out. I'd be curious to read what you think.

Good luck.

BPOCO
 
muzeman; yeah I just noticed I hadnt responded to your comment.
I haven't done much playing for a couple of months due to back problems, Ive just started playing a little again but now I need about a year of practice!!!:mad: Its amazing how quickly you can loose playing skills. Hopefully Ill be back with something worthy of recording by the summer.

Bpoco; I think that the present post of angels dancing, is the guitar miced without the amp. The one with the amp sounded a lot like an electric and I think I dumped it. Ill have to check out watyf post. I dont have 2 condensers but I have an mmp mic modeler and a 58a beta as well as an akg3000 and should be able to emulate many different mic sounds. I may do some experimenting with the two mics and see what I can do with what Ive got.
Thanks
Peace
Bill
 
wfaraoni said:
Short story: about 20 years ago I was playing with a guy and showed him a little doodle I had put together and he pointed out how it sounded like a jingle on a radio commercial. It actually did, and I realized it once he pointed it out, so now when I say I wrote something I have to say that it may have been inspired by somemthing I heard but as far as I know Yes this is my original composition. Well as I said its really just a warmup doodle thats evolved over the years. Bill
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Hi Bill,

Nice 'doodle' as you've dubbed it. Unless we live in a vacuum, all origonal composition eminates from what we've been exposed to.
Yes, IT IS IN FACT YOURS and you should be proud of it, man :)

I know jack about guitar recording, so just wanted to pop in, say hi and keep noodlin!! (A lot of my stuff is born this way, too)

In fact, funny but embarrasing story. I penned a classical piece for piano and strings 11 years ago, a six page score that I busted my butt on, then notated & printed the parts out and presented it to some fine musicians at the nearby university. They played it through @ a rehearsal and the first violinist turned to me and said, "nice theme and variation on the white hen!" I responded," Thank you,.....er......but what's a white hen? He then sang a radio jingle for a White Hen Pantry, a popular convenience store here in the northeast, "If you -- run out -- run out -- to - White- Hen- if you run out of anything run out- to -White Hen!" :o
Needless to say, I had to put the melodic line through some major restructuring as it was almost note for note. ;) It further pissed me off that it was not only note for note but in the same friggin key as the radio jingle! :rolleyes: BUT IT'S STILL MINE , JUST AS YOURS IS YOURS, MAN!:D

Have fun w/ your new toy! ( Roland ) I'm sure you'll achieve the 'right' sound to compliment your 'already right' musicianship!

peace,
Ralph
 
Flat-9; I enjoy your music and a compliment from you is certainly recieved with pride. Thanks
Bill
 
Hey W.
...cool tune, I look forward to what you do with this. I like the sound youre going for, but i agree it doesnt really sound like an acoustic. ....but then if thats not what youre going for ...thats cool too. The tone kinda reminds me of a hollowbody electric. I get a touch of Zep out of this one...... .....thats always a good thing. ....Nice man!
 
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