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THE BIG PIECE

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Peace be upon you. This may become a bit longwinded, but bear with me and I assure you that the answers I am looking for will benefit all of us.

First, allow me to preface my questions with background on my perspective. I was born the same year Theodore first scratched a record at a party, scribbled my first graf in '83, wrote my first rhyme in '87, banged my first beat in '89, bought my first 4 track in '90, and have been addicted to hip hop it seems pretty much my entire life. The problem is, like many of us, since the mid 90's I have become more disenchanted and disengaged due to the poison and dilution that the music and art has suffered. So much so that in the last five years I have become a certifiable rock head. And while there is nothing wrong with that, it has in fact made me more open minded, I recently had an epiphany of sorts and have a newfound conviction to take back my music.

Now, before you think this is another idealistic, purist inquisition here to save hip hop at all costs crusade, please consider these questions. These are based on simple observations, but again, I know that if we can answer these questions, it will put us in the best possible position to grow and create as we move into the future.

1. True or False? The quality of an artist's work should be determined not by what another work is or is not, but solely on its own merits. For instance, to say this particular project is better because it's not about money, drugs, guns, cars, and jewels, but REAL topics (we'll get to that in the next question) is absurd. For further reference, find the following albums: "Criminal Minded"-Boogie Down Productions and "Paid In Full"-Eric B. & Rakim.

2. True or False? Music itself is a form of entertainment. Entertainment is a form of escapism. Through whatever medium you choose, music, film, or even a book, your job as an artist is to invoke some sort of emotion or present some sort of vision for your audience. Imaginary or REAL makes no difference as long as you do it right. For further reference, view the following movie scenes: Battle of Helm's Deep scene from "Lord Of The Rings: The Two Towers" and Storming Normandy Beach scene from "Saving Private Ryan".

3. True or False? In an attempt to recapture the essence of old school hip hop, many artists try to emulate older sounds including instruments, themes, and vocal cadences a la Cold Crush. These are noble but flawed gestures. In doing what can be called throwback, you really just throw up, and no creature can survive on vomit. The true essence that has been lost is to constantly renew, develop, and expand. The measure of your favorite MC or crew is to put out a dope album this year, then put out a new, doper album next year, etc. For further reference, review the following discographies: Outkast and Gang Starr.

Keep in mind, what I or anyone else believes does not matter, only what is true. Being my first post, I hope this topic will result in discussion and understanding that will end the confusion and bickering that we see so much. Most importantly, I hope to improve the overall quality of our work. Because regardless of this or that coast, so called REAL hip hop or rap, samples or keyboards and modules, the fact remains that everybody everywhere is in pretty bad shape. I invite any validation, rebuttal, or even tactful insult, as long as it helps us build.

Peace.
 
I am not fully compreneding nor concurring with the rational of you queries?

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I am also encountering snafus digesting the somewhat off-centered and opinionated examples to the questions that you have postulated.

spin
 
I'll address each question, seperately.....

1) This idea is globally accepted as being true - The quality of an artist's work should be determined .... solely by its own merits.

I am not agreeing with your "for instance....", in my eyes that is just your opinion (and there is nothing wrong with individuals having their own opinions). :cool:

spin
 
2) I agree that music can be viewed as entertainment, for some people.

It is not entertainment and/or escapism for ALL people.

I again don't agree with you in terms of .... it being the artist job to evoke feelings, emotion, vision, etcetera.....
 
3) Yes, I agree that new artists try to emulate the producers and older artists of the past.

I, once again, disagree with your rational of this being a flawed gesture.
 
Once again, these are just my views on the material you posted.

You are entitled to your opinions, as I am entitled to mine. :cool:

Peace...

spin
 
Good lookin out Spin.

1. Allow me to clarify. In this case my opinion has no bearing and holds no water. My examples were selected because of what I perceived to be general acceptance. The two albums "Criminal Minded" and "Paid In Full" contain in both their cover art and songs images of materialism, violence, and drug culture. While these are both generally accepted as classic albums, these same images and topics are blamed by many to be the scourge of hip hop today. But if it didn’t matter then, it doesn’t matter now. My understanding then is that someone cannot truthfully say, ”My CD is better because he’s on that bling bling and I’m not.” And vice versa. All that matters is that it’s dope.

2. Perhaps a better word than job would have been purpose. Whenever you decide to create something there is some purpose. This will vary greatly from person to person, everything from self-expression to boredom. My examples here, though not music, are still art. And while one is based on a fictional work, and the other actual events, both scenes get the point across. My understanding then is that someone cannot truthfully say, “My CD is better because my shit is real and he’s not.” All that matters is that it is dope.

3. This was not an assessment of the artist. Given the direction many are trying to go, this simply appears to be the wrong route. Our favorites from way back did not do what they did to bring back the old, they constantly searched for the new and different using whatever tools they had. This is what drove the music forward. My examples again were based on general acceptance. Both Outkast and Gang Starr have had lengthy careers, mainly because of consistent growth and a standard of quality. My understanding then is that someone cannot truthfully say, “My CD is better because I’m bringin back that old and he’s not.” All that matters is that it is dope.

Again, my intent is to bring about a common understanding of what is most important. It is a quest, not dogma. There is too much separation between us. This has nothing to do with taste, preference, or style. What we need is to become more proficient in technique, and more fluid in thought. Basically, stop worrying about everything but the music and just make music.
 
I am in complete agreeance with you, on all 4 notes.

spin
 
THE BIG PIECE said:
Good lookin out Spin.

My understanding then is that someone cannot truthfully say, ”My CD is better because he’s on that bling bling and I’m not.” And vice versa. All that matters is that it’s dope.

It's all opinions. I know many people that don't like Nelly, but the bottom line is 10 million others liked him enough to buy his album. So, what you may percieve as dope and someone else doesn't is a matter of taste.

Secondly, Bling Bling or no Bling Bling is insignificant. All it means is that is what happens to be the topics of most rap albums right now. Music evolves and never stops, the old days of murder, guns, and drugs on every album has subsided to a degree and been replaced and in the next few years it will move out of bling to a different topic and so on and so on.

I believe Eminem doesn't speak on bling bling and he is the biggest name in the music industry, so is it necessary to sell records or to be dope...nope

It seems that your main point is how someone can legitimately say one CD is better than another. Unfortunately they only tools we have to measure (dopeness) is how the record performs(sales) and opinions. So there is really no answer to your question just more opinions. Sales equals exposure, and you wouldn't know how your album would perform with the same sales as a mainstream artist, so we have opinions.

Lastly, on this note, it sounds like you make old school type joints (big ups), do not be offended if the youngins don't find it dope. They did not grow up with it and will be more interested in the latest 50 cent CD then old school stuff....nah mean


THE BIG PIECE said:

Basically, stop worrying about everything but the music and just make music.

A-men (if only it were that simple)

The Womb
 
Alright. Appreciate the love. We're getting there. I've tried to keep opinion out of this because everything is completely subjective. What's dope is what's dope to you. Everything has its place, but alot of us don't respect that. Sounds silly, but McDonald's doesn't have beef with Red Lobster for selling more shrimp. Both serve food, just different types. We all make music, just different types. Peace, Gec. I think it is that simple. Just do what you do without tearing down the next man.

Peace be upon you.
 
The big piece has reason

Does it transcend the artist.. can it exist autonamously?
Will it remain relevant and pertinent?
Does it transcend cultral and langual barriers?
Is it asthetic, or purposely non-asthetic?

and just a side note.. if anyone ever sees a rapper doing something in odd meter time (well).. let me know, he will revolutionize.

Piece has reason, i validate.
 
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