1st try @ >2 mics

[drstawl]

OK- as promised, another clip of this jazz quartet.
This time in a very large, very live room, very late at night. I couldn't persuade them to use the space they had to their advantage. Next time maybe they'll listen up. I can only hope. It's an old church converted to a restaurant.
In the immortal words of Moe Howard: "Spread Out!"
Lots of bleed between the 5 mics employed.
We used it after hours and my dB meter confirmed
it had a background noise level of ~60dB.
AT 4033 on grand piano.
Rode NT-3 on guitar amp cabinet.
Pair of Rode NT-1s as drum overheads. The stands were borrowed, weren't a pair and they couldn't be positioned properly because they jammed themselves onto this tiny stage in this huge room instead of doing what Moe said.
An SM-57 under the snare 'cause I didn't have a proper stand to place the snare mic right. Nothing on the bass or the kick drum. My first time actually using (as opposed to fiddling with) the A&H Mix Wizard.
(see separate review- still feel the same)
https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?threadid=17737
I was gonna run the whole mix or subsets of the mix
through a tube mic pre but left that experiment for another
night. Actually I ran out of nice cables after I ran out
of functional stands....

http://members.home.net/drstawl/midi.html

Last tune (#15) in the MP3 Gallery.

pjao230.mp3 1017 KB 192Kbps.mp3

 

[AlChuck]

Band sounds nice... I liked the balance and everything but the guitar sounded a little off to me -- like it was recorded on a cassette deck or something, just not very present. Not really bad, maybe some eq could help it...

-AlChuck

 

[drstawl]

He had his amp reverb up too high and his EQ at the amp was weird. Wes Montgomery syndrome. Just can't get the tone he's after. The worst offender was that the other sources bled all over him hard, so that any attempt to 'clean & boost' with the two EQ filters was self defeating. He needed to be away from EVERY other source in the band and just use the natural reverb in that tall room.
Attempts at stereo micing from further back would shortchange the drums bigtime. You could hear that just sitting in the room.

 

[James HE]

sounds nice doc! I like it, i hate it when it ends
How close was the mic to the guitar cab? it sound distant, could just be his reverb though. Get some friggin stands! The Mix Wizard sounds nice, very cool.

If I was micing the kit with two NT-1's and a 57, I'd probably try one of the NT-1's in front of the kit Chest high, the other NT-1 overhead but centered arond the floor tom and ride, and the 57 for snare and high-hat. that's just me though

-jhe

 

[dobro]

It sounds like you're working the gear right, but that the room's providing too much reverb, especially on the drums and guitar. Sounds like they need to be close-miked or recorded in a much deader room.

 

[Rusty K]

I'm a bass player. I thought the bass was very boomie and as a result mushy. To me it destracted from everything else and made it hard to pick out everything. I know stand-up bass can be difficult. I'm trying to get a live digital recording of my R&B band either 2trac or 4. Five pieces and usually no option of "spreading out".

And I would sure like to know how to stream my mp3's using Media Player like you have done.



Rusty K

 

[drstawl]

Yeah- that bass mush bugged me too. I've captured stand-up bass much better before with the NT-1s- but not in such a boomy room. Next time I think I can get the bass and guitar to trade their amp volume for a mix with the other bandmembers in headphones. Hopefully this will allow them to cut their volume enough to reduce that boomy
sound while retaining the nice reverb of that hall.
We're doing another session in 2 weeks.
As to the html programming required for streaming:
All I did was store the .mp3 on my server and create a link to the file on another page. I used nothing but NS Composer, the free html editor included with Nutscrape Communicator.
JamesHE: The NT3 was right up on the speaker cone about three inches from the grill cloth pointing toward the outer edge of the single driver in this amp. Your drum mic placement suggestions sound reasonable once I get the drums away from the piano. The NT-1 bleed problem becomes much more manageable at ~20 feet from irritating sources. Maybe just one NT-1 and two SM-57s would clean that up as well. Then I could put the other NT-1 on the bass without an amp.