12ax7 substutute

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So what is that you want to say in support of the Behringer, since you say the gossip should be challenged...???
 
the gossip on this thread is that the tube in the Behringer serves no purpose.
That is untrue and should be challenged.
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Missed that, did you?
 
No I didn't miss it.
You said it should be challenged.
I'm saying OK...then challange it if you have something to say about it. ;)

I just don't get your comment.
You are saying it's not true about the Behringer tube....but then....do you want someone else to prove it/challange it??? :D
Be specific...if you say it is untrue, then what is untrue and how/why is it untrue?
Is it your opinon...or do you have something factual?
You can't prove something is untrue with just opinon....though that's often attempted on forums. :)

I'm just curious why you think the tube in the Behringer is really doing something of any "tube value" to the signal?
 
The Tube does serve a purpose... they couldn't sell you a tube preamp without it
 
Oops!
Must have stepped on another Behri Bashing thread.
Unfortunately, it's of absolutely no help to the OP.
You'll find the specs here BEHRINGER: MIC2200 if you care to actually read them but somehow I think you'll be more inclined to simply ignore the facts.
Not saying that the product is either good or bad, just that the information about the tube on this thread, is dead wrong.
 
Jim Lad said:
You'll find the specs here BEHRINGER: MIC2200 if you care to actually read them but somehow I think you'll be more inclined to simply ignore the facts.
Not saying that the product is either good or bad, just that the information about the tube on this thread, is dead wrong.
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:laughings:

OK...let's look at "the facts"...from...."the specs":

http://www.behringer.com/EN/downloads/pdf/MIC2200_P0054_S_EN.pdf

* Built-in high-quality vacuum tube for outstanding, ultra-musical tube sound

* Our special vacuum tube circuitry warms up your music without unwanted noise
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Is that what you mean? :rolleyes:
Oh yeah...now that makes me want to run out and buy a Behringer MIC2200!!! :D
So like...what part of this thread is the information "dead wrong"...???

A word of advice....
If you are going to buy gear based only on manufacturer brochures and specs, you will be disappointed, especially with the low-budget stuff.
 
Like I said:
Just another Behri basher and absolutely no help to the OP.
Take a hike, TROLL!
 
What in the specs? That it has a hand-selected tube? A hand-selected, starved plate tube that has nothing to do with the signal? A single tube in a dual-channel preamp that has a light behind it to make it look like it's lit?

I always crack up when I read "tube" and "warmth" in the same sentence... As if they ever had anything to do with each other in that application...

We're not bashing Behringer -- We're bashing all sorts of "toob" gear that's out there.
 
Jim Lad said:
Like I said:
Just another Behri basher and absolutely no help to the OP.
Take a hike, TROLL!
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Right...and you've been very helpful to the OP...... :rolleyes:
The most you can say is "read the specs", which doesn't say anything or prove anything. Do you even know what you are reading?
I'm guessing you either have the MIC2200 or some other Behringer gear...so you feel the need to defend it. :D

Whatever...but the only person trolling here is you, because you have nothing else to say other than accuse everyone of bashing Behringer.
Just for the record, I've got more real tube gear and cases of real tubes than you can imagine, so I can confidently say I know a good tube product when I see one...so get off the "Behringer torch bearer" kick, because it's even funnier than when people bash Behringer. It only makes you look foolish.

The only thing we are talking about here is the MIC2200...but it wouldn't be too hard to expand the discussion into other Behringer products if you wish....so you better start downloading their spec sheets too. ;)
 
Jim Lad said:
You'll find the specs here BEHRINGER: MIC2200 if you care to actually read them but somehow I think you'll be more inclined to simply ignore the facts.
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Those are not specs, they are selling points put together in the marketing department.

If you have ever looked in the back of a tube guitar amp, you will see the 12ax7's glowing all by themselves. This is because, in that situation, they are properly powered. The glow comes from the heating element in the tube. If the tube isn't heated to a certain temperature, it doesn't work as designed (or at all if it's cold enough). Running a tube cold will only result in fuzzy distortion and a lack of output. What Behri does is send some of the signal through that tube to add that distortion to the signal that has been run through the solid state preamp that is actually adding the gain. So this isn't a tube preamp (since the tube isn't there to add gain), it is a solid state preamp with an effect added by running an improperly configured tube in parallel with the signal. This is why you can remove the 12ax7 and the preamp still works.

In a real, well designed tube preamp, the tube will be properly powered, will glow just like it does in a tube guitar amp, and it will be the device that provides the gain. Oddly enough, a properly designed tube preamp won't add fuzz or distortion to the signal (unless you run too hot of a signal into it on purpose), it will be just as clean as a solid state design. (again, when proper gain staging is used)

If you like the thing, use it. Just don't be fooled into thinking that it is an actual tube preamp and/or that actual tube preamps are distorted and fuzzy sounding.
 
meowadishi said:
Miroslav? A troll? HAHAHAHA That explains the good advice I have seen all over this forum by him.
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Thanks man...but you might want to duck for cover...not everyone here loves me, there seem to be lot of sensitive skins around here this weekend! :D
 
I wouldn't go as far as love... but I certainly respect your opinion...
 
Man...where can a guy get some love around here? :D

What's that 900 number again...? ;)

How's the blues lyric go...."Nobody loves me but my mother...and lately she's been jivin' too"
:)
 
Okay, Jim, I will accept that the tube in the Behri unit does something legit, but I could pore over those specs all day and not know what the tube does, for all the time spent. How 'bout you sum it up for us?
 
I was not impresswith the sound quality of the Behringer Mic2200. After only having it for a week and changing to another tube, I heard no difference in the quality of the output. Leading me to believe it's the quality of the SS circuitry that's lacking. I immediatle sold it for what I paid for it (bought it used).

I've had some Behringer products That I was very happy with. I love my Xenyx 1204 mixer. I had a V-Amp Pro (Rack Mount) that was a great guitar amp simulator. Very versatile. I was hoping for better things from the MIC2200, but It seems a Mic preamp needs a bigger budget than what I have available.

Mike
 
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