1 Month into recording, here is what i have

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Nbudinich said:
On "Giving up on singing" and "Everything we think about" which were recorded a couple of days ago i used the green placement.

Do those tracks sound good? Neither of them sound boomy. The latter two sound crisp and clearer but they dont sound big like yours.
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I listened to giving up on singing. Much better. The vocal sounds much more in the middle, and the guitar sounds much better. Now, you need to get the guitarist to quit moving around! Did you hi pass the tracks? Especially the sound hole mic?
 
NL5 said:
I listened to giving up on singing. Much better. The vocal sounds much more in the middle, and the guitar sounds much better. Now, you need to get the guitarist to quit moving around! Did you hi pass the tracks? Especially the sound hole mic?
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Holy crap man! You can hear that?! He does get into it and rock back and forth a bit, but I had no idea it was audible.

No I did nothing but a little comp. Should I highpass the SH mic? That cuts the bass right? Wouldn't that thin it out?
 
Nbudinich said:
Holy crap man! You can hear that?! He does get into it and rock back and forth a bit, but I had no idea it was audible.

No I did nothing but a little comp. Should I highpass the SH mic? That cuts the bass right? Wouldn't that thin it out?
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Yeah, you can totally hear him moving around - especially with the stereo mics. The phase goes all screwy and the image moves around. I had a HUGE problem with the guy that recorded the sample I posted. The vocal would jump all around. He really had to work at not moving around too much.

As far as the high pass, no, it sounds like it's already high passed to me. What mic's are you using again? I usually get a bit o' boom the way I mic the bridge - if I did what you describe, it would be all boom. Just seems odd to me. But, what do I know?
 
NL5 said:
Yeah, you can totally hear him moving around - especially with the stereo mics. The phase goes all screwy and the image moves around. I had a HUGE problem with the guy that recorded the sample I posted. The vocal would jump all around. He really had to work at not moving around too much.

As far as the high pass, no, it sounds like it's already high passed to me. What mic's are you using again? I usually get a bit o' boom the way I mic the bridge - if I did what you describe, it would be all boom. Just seems odd to me. But, what do I know?
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I'm using an AKG Perception 200 for the hole.

http://www.frontendaudio.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=8437

And an SM57 for the neck.

Can you recommend a site that might help explain what phase is? I don't hear what you're hearing.
 
Nbudinich said:
I'm using an AKG Perception 200 for the hole.

http://www.frontendaudio.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=8437

And an SM57 for the neck.

Can you recommend a site that might help explain what phase is? I don't hear what you're hearing.
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Very generic definition:

Out-of-Phase is basically when you have one sound source getting picked up by two mics at different positions. Being in-phase is when two mics are getting the same signal at the same time. If one mic gets the source sound sooner or later than the other, you will get an out-of-phase effect. With stereo micing, this usually results in the sound moving back and forth from one ear to the other, or the whole image may be lopsided to the nearer mic. Out-of-phase stuff happens a lot with drum overhead mics.

This is how I understand it anyway. I'm sure there's way more to it.
 
Greg_L said:
Very generic definition:

Out-of-Phase is basically when you have one sound source getting picked up by two mics at different positions. Being in-phase is when two mics are getting the same signal at the same time. If one mic gets the source sound sooner or later than the other, you will get an out-of-phase effect. With stereo micing, this usually results in the sound moving back and forth from one ear to the other, or the whole image may be lopsided to the nearer mic. Out-of-phase stuff happens a lot with drum overhead mics.

This is how I understand it anyway. I'm sure there's way more to it.
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Could it be more that my SH mic was farther away from the guitar than my neck mic and not so much him moving around?
 
Nbudinich said:
Could it be more that my SH mic was farther away from the guitar than my neck mic and not so much him moving around?
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That certainly doesn't help, but the moving around is usually the biggest culprit.
 
Nbudinich said:
Could it be more that my SH mic was farther away from the guitar than my neck mic and not so much him moving around?
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No, he was very clearly moving around. Pretty much, whenever you use more than 1 mic for one source you will get phase issues. Scratch that, even with one mic you can get phase issues. I think your placement was more or less ok, but when he moves around, the image moves around a LOT.

How far out was the perception 3 feet?
 
NL5 said:
No, he was very clearly moving around. Pretty much, whenever you use more than 1 mic for one source you will get phase issues. Scratch that, even with one mic you can get phase issues. I think your placement was more or less ok, but when he moves around, the image moves around a LOT.

How far out was the perception 3 feet?
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a foot or so.
 
Ok, after listening and messing with the tracks I think I hear this phase problem you describe and it's bugging the crap outta me now. Thank you for that:mad:.

Is there any sort of fix for it? According to the phasemeter plug-in its not constant so inverting the phase does nothing.

I'm gonna track some guitar tonight and try some new mic placements, try this 3:1 rule i've read about and duck tape these fools to the seat. Wish me luck.
 
Does this help? I added colour, your friend, a monitor and an LDC!
 

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So this phase thing is still messin me up. Does it sound BAD?

As far as I can understand phase problems are stereo micing issues. Like the neck mic canceling out the body/SH signal. But when I isolate one single guitar track there seems to be less moving around the stereo field. This only happens when I pan 1 take to each side. Could it be an issue each take's rhythm not matching perfectly? I hop e that make sense.

take1 left + take2 right = signal bouncing around the stereo field.

take1 neck mic left + Take 1 SH mic right = Not so much movement.

If there are phase issues shouldnt they be more apparent when i split the take like that?
 
Here's a simple fix ... if you're trying to correct phase after recording:

- Either bounce down the two tracks -- making track 1 L and track 2 R to a single stereo track

or

- Send both track outputs to a single aux bus, one to the L, the other R.

Apply this plug to whichever choice you made (the stereo track or the aux bus):

Voxengo Phase Correction

... and then simply dial in until it sounds as best it can.

Best,

Kev-
 
I got to this thread kind of late, but I had to say that for being at this just a month, you're off to a pretty good start! I listened to a good portion of several numbers and you've done some nice tracking.

Phase schmase...these guys will talk you through it...I only understand it partly in theory, but wouldn't know phase issues if they hit me over the head.
 
All you need to do is re-track and have the guitar player sit more still. If he absolutely can't, use one mic out about 3 feet, and double track or maybe try an x/y out about 3 feet.
 
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